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British University stinks.... - Troll - 11th May 2005
A British University is currently undertaking fieldwork in northern Cyprus. Cyprus was violently invaded by Turkey on July the 20th 1974. This was a part of an American policy, supported by Britain to partition the island between Greek and Turkish Cypriots-communities who had lived together for years. The invasion resulted in massacres, rapes and executions amounting to the deaths of at least two thousand non-combatants. 1619 people are still missing and the Turkish Government have done nothing to explain this. 200 thousand people were chased out of their homes and today live as refugees in their own country. The Capital of Cyprus-Nicosia, is the only remaining divided city in Europe. The only Government to recognise the legitimacy of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" are the Turks.Despite this, one British University is undertaking fieldwork in northern Cyprus. In my view, this is disgusting and, shows a complete disreguard for the feelings of the world`s Governments and more importantly, the hundreds of thousands of Greek and Turkish Cypriots suffering to this day.Discuss...}
British University stinks.... - EarlySlav - 12th May 2005
You do know why the Turks went in? Discuss. This is going to get very heated if this one runs. Have fun.[xx(]
British University stinks.... - deepdigger - 12th May 2005
Regardless of why the turks went in, it's insensitive and downright typical of a british university to entertain the turkish government in this way. the "civilised world" should be doing their utmost to remove all oppressors from foreign soils.
(in my opinion)
deep
British University stinks.... - Guest - 12th May 2005
If you are contacting the antiquities department in N Cyprus to complain, as I just have done, you are finding out in fact that there are no British Universities working in N Cyprus. There is a German one I am told, and British universities have been working in tourism and environmental research for ten years in this place.
Is that any help? Perhaps we should get all the facts before starting discussions.
Perhaps also we should be trying to build cooperation between divided people rather than cause conflict. Look at the Middle east where I am working.[?]
Sword of Damacles
British University stinks.... - troll - 12th May 2005
Thank you to all for your response and welcome.Before I go any further, please allow me to clarify. I am in full possession of the facts and have personal insight on this issue. Regardless of the response gained by Mr Khan, a British University is indeed working in the illegaly occupied northern Cyprus. Two members of staff from the same university (archaeology) are currently working there. It is not my intention to begin a huge discourse on "why the Turks went in" here, it would take too long but, I encourage those interested parties to research the issues off site. I of course take on board the comments of Mr Khan and whilst I agree, cooperation between divided peoples is a good thing, Cyprus was`nt a divided people until it was invaded and the Turkish Government completely altered the demographics of northern Cyprus.Of course, as in the Middle East and elsewhere, the USA/UK Governments have divided people as a policy for centuries. I maintain that the university concerned is on extremely tenuous legal footings and, more importantly, are demonstrating a level of ethics not dissimilar to that of Robert Mugabe.
British University stinks.... - Oxbeast - 13th May 2005
Which University is it? And which members of staff? Presumably they've applied for and recieved funding, and are going to publish their results. So its going to be in the public domain...
Presumably this could be a union matter, like the AUT just voted to boycott three of eight Israeli universities. Perhaps the union and university have not yet formulated a policy on this...
British University stinks.... - troll - 13th May 2005
Sorely tempted to name and shame Beasty but, for now at least, I`ll stick to chewing the rights and wrongs. Not sure how a union could help although I do think that a law or two may be being "bent". Will pass on the names to Mr Hosty off-site just so we all know that I`m not just getting all twisted over nothing substantive. Sticks in my throat to suggest this but, anyone see any breaches of IFA codes of conduct here? If not, why are`nt there any?
British University stinks.... - Guest - 13th May 2005
Ah Mr. Troll, you are suggesting that you have the full facts, but then you state that the island of Cyprus was not divided before the Turkish invasion in 1974. It was, between those living in enclaves from 1963 on, fed and protected by the UN, to save them from expulsion, and those who were not. Today we call it ethnic cleansing, then it did not have a name. It is a similar event to the division of Pakistan and Bangladesh in some ways, I know.
When there was a chance for reunion in the vote last year why did not the Greek Cypriots accept? By now there would be a union and the whole island would be in Europe. Kofe Annan's idea was right. This seems to be a political blunder.
As I say, be sure of your facts, and find the real story from both sides or you may end up with egg on your face and getting sued.
Sword of Damacles
British University stinks.... - vulpes - 13th May 2005
Or in other words go to jail, do not pass go and do not collect ?200
British University stinks.... - troll - 13th May 2005
Again, let me clarify a few things- My motivation in posting this thread is simply to generate dialogue on what is clearly a very controversial issue. Most of the world`s Governments share my humble views-my views are based on a couple of observations I should share with you:
1. I grew up in Cyprus from 1965 to 1982
2. I was ten years old when the Turks invaded
3.I lived in Varoshia, one of the most violently assaulted places on the island
4. I was a refugee
Therefore, my views are based on being an eye witness before, during and after the 1974 invasion. They are not formed via second hand or adopted opinion. I have read plenty of books and papers on the issue including recently released secret Government documents and military papers.Rather than approaching the issue through frustration directed at me as an individual (in complete disreguard for the stance of the worlds Governments and many Human rights organisations) perhaps we could return to the crux of the matter. Of course, many histories can be written regarding one, or a series of events but, my point is that until the Cyprus question is given the attention it deserves by the world`s Governments after over 30 years of silence and suffering, British universities should`nt be digging there.It`s an illegal occupation.