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Thornborough "debate" - Printable Version +- BAJR Federation Archaeology (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk) +-- Forum: BAJR Federation Forums (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Forum: The Site Hut (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: Thornborough "debate" (/showthread.php?tid=2060) |
Thornborough "debate" - BAJR Host - 26th January 2006 Fair point Pixie... and I have now looked at the statement Quote:quote:Having countenanced the destruction of more than 200 archaeological finds at Nosterfield Quarry close to the unique Thornborough Henges, North Yorkshire County Council is now allowing the same thing to happen at the adjacent Ladybridge Farm. This is the 109 acres site from which Tarmac has applied to extract 2.2 million tonnes of sand and gravel by open-cast mining. There is plenty in there which is pretty cruel and misleading.. allegations of covert pro quarry agenda... allegations of colussion between 'Canadian' (as if that is somehow important) Neil Campling and Mike Griffiths. allegations that archaeology was deliberately destroyed.. allegations that the exersise was to cleanse the area of archaeology. These are allegations, libel and slander... unverified rumour and comment dressed as fact. Perhaps FOT would mind commenting on where the information came from ie... was Neil Campling 'recruited by Mike Griffiths? and what is the point they are trying to make? If I contacted Jan Harding and Mike Hayworth... would they agree that they were excluded from the site? to say that the programme is Quote:quotepear-headed by an officer who favours "excavate and destroy" developer-funded archaeologybased on??? FOT should be careful what they say... and perhaps back up allegations with facts rather than stated views (dressed as facts) Timewatch perhaps rightly.. should distance itself from these views.. It muddies the waters and devalues the justifiable campaign to protect the Henges. The question asked is whether Timewatch agrees with... OR disagrees with these statements. And FOT should be prepared to stand up and back up the 'press release' with actual facts. Another day another WSI? Thornborough "debate" - BAJR Host - 26th January 2006 I have also just asked FOT for a reply Another day another WSI? Thornborough "debate" - deepdigger - 1st February 2006 Still waiting I assume sir!! deep Thornborough "debate" - BAJR Host - 1st February 2006 curiouser and curiouser as someone said. } Another day another WSI? Thornborough "debate" - archae_logical - 1st February 2006 Quote:quote:Originally posted by BAJR HostDid you really expect a reply [?] E (not at all surprised) Thornborough "debate" - deepdigger - 2nd February 2006 Well, it would be nice if someone came clean on the whole shoddy affair, quite frankly! We, the British public have a right to know whats going on, and not only with this site either! deep Thornborough "debate" - historic building - 3rd February 2006 Just noticed this on the CBA news feed http://www.nidderdaletoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=18&ArticleID=1338713 More on the conservation plan. Thornborough "debate" - troll - 3rd February 2006 Much wailing and gnashing of teeth no less.Good.Frankly.Members of the public have offered an opinion in public.They have clearly written it in blissful ignorance of the contrived web of pseudo-legislative garbage that continues to stall any evolution of the industry today.Apparently, members of the public would be very surprised to be told that-when offering an opinion, you can`t actually discuss detail and by the way, the opinion you offer will increase the likelehood of your being sued.Who the Authors of this statement were is not an issue for me.They wrote it as they saw it.The way they have approached the issue shows as clear as day-the strength of feeling that people bring to this campaign.In their writings-yes they express their views in a somewhat "raw" approach but for me,isn`t that the point? There are more than enough heritage workers who are in the habit of supressing the essence of their views and re-wording them to passify the great God of "slander and Libel". Folks, if we start to impose the culture of clinically sterile dialogue upon the public-we can all forget about appealing to them for their support in the future.A passionate, campaigning public must be allowed to express their views.To reduce the Thornborough campaign to mere semantic mechanics-we would be imposing our own frames of reference based upon a competative environment.Not only that, if heritage workers choose to "deconstruct to devastate" views of campaigning members of the public rather than supporting them with constructive criticism, Thornbrough loses out again.This issue seems to have become blurred.Rather than concentrating on the real issue and-raising it`s profile, the word-wars have begun.Yes-there are a number of perhaps careless and unfortunate statements in the quote.Perhaps, this is a reflection of the lack of support from us as a whole? If we are to impose the restrictions of legal-speak upon the campaigning public(BAJR AUP accepted!) then why not start helping them to write legal-speak with testicles? ..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad) Thornborough "debate" - BAJR Host - 3rd February 2006 Just as long as rumours are not passed off as fact... and comments about people who are doing a good job are kept relevant. accusing Neil of being ... an officer who favours "excavate and destroy" developer-funded archaeology and was recruited by the man who is now Tarmac?s consultant archaeologist? is not helping the justifiable cause of preventing quarrying around the henges... and to publically say that Mike Heyworth was barred from site when he was not etc etc. This is not tough this is just sensible. Stick to facts and don't blame the messengers. The Daily Diary was a brilliant piece of social history and showed what we have to put up with... BAJR Host supports the campaign but deplores the misinformation Another day another WSI? Thornborough "debate" - troll - 3rd February 2006 Agreed.Misinformation however can only be an environment cultivated in ignorance.As an industry, this will continue to return and bite us-unless we pro-actively plan for an informed voting public.The archaeologists who find themselves in the middle of the entire barrage at Thornborough will just have to put up with it.It happens to be a bit of a contraversial issue.Most people in the UK have never even met an archaeologist (some professionals would admit this too!) let alone have a grasp at varience with the bite-sized view of the spoon-fed television entertainment version, of just what it is that archaeologists do.We can`t suddenly become sensitive when assumptions are made.We laid our own bed......"raise the value of archaeology and of archaeologists in the public eye.." was a little pledge from a certain organisation that I heard years ago. That was all that I heard.If a client had levelled some of the quoted accusations at the archaeologists concerned-the usual machinery would have been put in motion.The client at Thornborough is the public too.Inform them. ..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad) |