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Environmental Justice - Pete M - 29th March 2005
The dozy wossname must have been told that a building is 4 walls and a roof. Architects are not good people to get advice from in this area.
This proposal would be OK if very high standards were followed - but I doubt the techniques have been developed enough, and that the skills exist to completely record a building in lieu of its continued existence.
To do it properly, each and every stone/brick/strut/nail in the floor, walls and roof would have to be dismantled and recorded individually in full 3D, so it could be 're-built' and 'excavated' ad infinitum in the future. I'd guess a small house would cost around ?250,000 to record properly.
If the reason is genuinely to allow progress, then the exhorbitant costs will be met I'm sure.
Still, it may bring to someones attention that lots of listed buildings are being altered, demolished or just left to rot without a record of any kind being made. Arrogant architects and slow-witted archaeologists are to blame IME.
Pete M
(who witnessed only last year the NT demolishing a listed structure without permission, only taking one photo first beforehand - and these are the pros)
Environmental Justice - troll - 29th March 2005
Superb! Someone with their finger on the button finally! Could`nt agree more with you Pete. A certain "consultancy" were obliged to record some listed buildings in my care-they allowed the developer to pull them down then proceeded to fabricate a recording report.This is precisely what I mean by "professional crisis". Nicely said sir.
Environmental Justice - the invisible man - 29th March 2005
It is of course an offence to demolish or alter a Listed Building without permission, and I trust therefore that you will be reporting this incident to the appropriate authority. However I do not quite see how a consultancy can allow (or prevent) a building owner from demolishing a listed buidling, or indeed carrying out any other action: it is not in their power so to do.
It is not appropriate to label other professionals (assuming that archaeology is a profession) as "arrogant". In this context it suggests that the processes and roles of the various bodies are not properly understood.
Environmental Justice - Pete M - 29th March 2005
Hi,
I didn't mean architect=arrogant, more advisor=arrogant architect
Same with the 'slow-witted' archaeologist bit
Architects have an undeniably higher rating than archaeologists in the general scheme of things, but most have never taken a building down and recorded it piece by piece, and certainly not to the same degree of detail as a more traditional excavation.
Environmental Justice - troll - 29th March 2005
Unfortunately, my reporting of a catalogue of offences during the project came to nothing for a number of reasons. One, is that the County Mounty instructed me "not to make things any more complicated than they already are" and more nauseating, a senior Government body can play the immunity card when it suits them-even in this case where their behaviour to this day endangers public health. A particularly serious 18 months in my career and to be honest, had I released details in full, the sky would (and still could) fall in on lots of people. I walked away.
Environmental Justice - the invisible man - 30th March 2005
Hmm, yes, I see what you mean! You do pick 'em, don't you Troll!
Walking away does you credit - it sounds like sprinting would be more natural!
Environmental Justice - Pete M - 30th March 2005
Quote:quote:Originally posted by the invisible man
It is of course an offence to demolish or alter a Listed Building without permission, and I trust therefore that you will be reporting this incident to the appropriate authority. However I do not quite see how a consultancy can allow (or prevent) a building owner from demolishing a listed buidling, or indeed carrying out any other action: it is not in their power so to do.
I will be reporting it - trouble is they will probably guess who did it = no more work. I had to get in a position where it no longer mattered.
The pendulum is swinging - the independents/consultants are now the ones shaking their heads at the actions of their clients/heritage managers. They can get away with it because large companies always do,and there is always the issue of the next contract, which is where the power lies.
Environmental Justice - troll - 30th March 2005
Invisible-hope you are well sir! Very nearly walked away from the profession altogether and was sorely tempted to rush in and teach some muppets some manners! Sadly, those involved in the capacity of "consultants" are still one of the biggest and are currently running a very high profile national project as we speak. The developer in question walked away unscathed and the County Mounty resigned for pastures new.For me, I refuse to accept any position other than site assistant now. I work with people who I can trust. If interested, we can discuss details off-line.Best wishes mate.