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Pay rates - going where? - BAJR Host - 2nd November 2009
chiz Wrote:It must be straightforward to define PIFA level competance, otherwise the whole point of PIFA falls apart.....
Would be lovely to know what that is.... I have talked to the IfA about this - perhaps they would like to comment.
chiz Wrote:What would be interesting is if anyone with PIFA level competence (but not necessarily a PIFA) had been or was taken on at the lower level. That WOULD be against the IFA code as far as I can see....
As the definition is tricky, it would indeed be.
chiz Wrote:I don't see it as 'discriminating' against non-IFA members, merely it is accepting the industry 'benchmark' for basic digging level pay based on the accepted Pifa definition
see above :face-angel:
Its tricky... and a bit of discussion is under way, with I hope a suitable outcome. At the end of the day, we must move forward. In many cases, I discuss with groups and ensure that staff are paid according to ability and responsibility. Still it could be worse and you could be on 67.50 a day as a self emplotyed person.
I do sincerely hope the IfA and BAJR can work on this and other issues. After all, we are aiming for a strong profession that has opportunity to make a decent level of pay and produce the senior archaeologists of the future.
I have been busy today, and hope people will understand that this is delicate.
Pay rates - going where? - chiz - 2nd November 2009
david Wrote:Still it could be worse and you could be on 67.50 a day as a self emplotyed person.
did you mean to say self-exploited??!
Pay rates - going where? - BAJR Host - 2nd November 2009
chiz Wrote:self-exploited
Obviously mixing ma mind up... in fact... it sums it up perfectly
self exployted
oh yes... forgot to say... Kevin... :face-confused:
Pay rates - going where? - YellowPete - 2nd November 2009
david
were you stipulating that if the bajr fed had a lower membership you would be forced by defacto to lower your minima as an organisational response to lower membership numbers.
that would make sense but then to what level of informative discussion on such a matter would provide enough impetus to discuss such a retrospective back step in the undercutting of the minima from the lack of farmiliarisation, as opposed to being employer driven with alternative priorities to an individual.
interesting reformation of classics}
Mike
Pay rates - going where? - YellowPete - 2nd November 2009
you know what
bajr has done so much and it seems that for the lack of access to the internet and sheer volume of the current workload its standard opporating profile is totally skewed.
Mike
Pay rates - going where? - BAJR Host - 3rd November 2009
YellowPete Wrote:were you stipulating that if the bajr fed had a lower membership you would be forced by defacto to lower your minima as an organisational response to lower membership numbers.
Makes you think doesn't it }
YellowPete Wrote:bajr has done so much and it seems that for the lack of access to the internet and sheer volume of the current workload its standard opporating profile is totally skewed.
Oh how true... Indeed my own personal workload is quite large... work from morning to night, collecting, discussing, disseminating etc... and try and make enough to live. ( Hey I have to eat ) - however, I take the position that I would rather lose money than alter my principals. However, strange as it seems I would prefer to find solutions rather than force issues. I prefer to work with anyone that wants to make a difference. Recent matters have highlighted the pressures and resistance - I do wish that field staff would stand up and be counted. Either with the Diggers Forum or myself, or even both. Times are tough - and this means people often look to themselves first and the greater good second. :face-huh:
Pay rates - going where? - YellowPete - 3rd November 2009
question:
did the boom years in archaeology drive up the minima, or did the bajr?
how ironic that the larger the glut of skilled labour drives down the value of having the skill, yet the skill is necessary to maintain a parr excellance in competition.
whose that?.......David
more meat for the grinder
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Pay rates - going where? - BAJR Host - 4th November 2009
Interesting question... one can't answer that. All BAJR did was make a series of Grades and then had adverts tied to it. It would be nice to think it did, but perhaps now is the test to see.
Interesting times. Whats more important?
Pay rates - going where? - BAJR Host - 6th November 2009
To quote the IfA
IfA Jobsheet Wrote:The IfA does not control advertisements that appear in the bulletin. However, if advertisements appear to offer rates of pay below the IfA recommended minima, or raise other issues of employment practice, the IfA will contact the advertising organisation and robustly address these issues.
The IfA recommends the following minimum starting salaries for 2009/2010 (from 1 APRIL 2009):
PIfA responsibilities ?15,054
Pay rates - going where? - Oxbeast - 6th November 2009
I seem to remember discussing this on the other forum some time ago.
"The IfA does not control advertisements that appear in the bulletin. "
This is a fairly bizarre use of language. If you're deciding what to publish and what not to, you are controlling what goes in and what stays out. Editing is controlling. If the IfA does not control what appears in their own bulletin, than who does? Will they seriously publish anything that anyone submits to them?
Their statement seems to indicate that it is their policy to allow units to break IfA rules, and then address the breach afterwards, whan it is likely that they have done their hiring.