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Altering work hours with no notice - Unitof1 - 9th June 2010
Code of approved practice for the regulation of contractual arrangements in archaeology
Quote:[SIZE=3]15 A member, before offering or accepting a contract for work or recommending the same, will define beyond reasonable doubt the terms of the service, the allocation of responsibilities and any limitation of liability, the method of calculation of remuneration, and the provision for variation or termination.
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Code of conduct
Quote:[SIZE=3]4.4 A member is responsible for the analysis and publication of data derived from projects under his/her control. While The member exercises this responsibility he/she shall enjoy consequent rights of primacy. However, failure to prepare or publish the results within 10 years of completion of the fieldwork shall be construed as a waiver of such rights, unless such failure can reasonably be attributed to circumstances beyond the member’s control.
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Obviously these concepts only apply if you want to call yourself an archaeologist. Presumably diggers work under some navvies and general labourers code.
What is chaino paid to do? Is chaino allowed to fill out context sheets and drink tea at the same time or does chaino have to fill the sheets beside the feature tealess. How full does the wheelbarrow have to be. When to trowel and when to mattock. What officially designates the tea break. Is it just the name given for a set period of time, is it from the time the site hut door is closed. What happens if you miss the tea break. Ooohhh scary. Copyright my friends, its all in the copyright.
Altering work hours with no notice - Kajemby - 9th June 2010
This is from the Oxford English dictionary as to what copyright means;
**• noun the exclusive legal right, given to the originator or their assignee for a fixed number of years, to publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material, and to authorize others to do the same.
I am not sure what unit of 1 means, as copyright of intellectual property does not seem to have been an issue, but rather the length of tea breaks, and what the contract of an individual provisions for. As to the firing, and rehiring mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that if that happens after a year of employment, you are allowed to take action for unfair dismissal, irrespective of the length of current contract. This has to be continual employment though!
Altering work hours with no notice - Unitof1 - 9th June 2010
kajemby, these tea breaks are surrounded by the concept of archaeological work. The break is from the work. Whats going on is that the employer likes these little contractual battles, it empowers the employer because they get to define what work is and isnt, they have the power to stop you working, they want to appear to have the ability to take your ability to work away and you to rely on them. The full extent of this power is to be able to change the time and length of the break. They will also not call you an archaeologist because as oxbest has pointed out they are scared that you will keep the archaeology (context sheet ?they like you to use their context forms). They also like the concept of diggers being in unions as this will keep you in the worker, copyright is nothing to do with me, I am not an archaeologist mindset.
Altering work hours with no notice - tmsarch - 9th June 2010
As a regular reader of the forums (yes I know I don't actually contribute that much) I have to ask our hosty - is the occasional lucid post enough reason to suffer this constant drivel?
The OP raised some important points about employment rights/contracts and hosty has provided some helpful advice for others who might be facing similar situations, yet once again the topic seems to have been high-jacked to address the concerns of one. No wonder our host is seeking another moderator - for the good of the forum the sooner the better.
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Altering work hours with no notice - BAJR - 9th June 2010
Sometimes, Uo1 does make good points but often as not you have to work hard..
I don't agree with Uo1 about the concept of being 'just a worker' and how this will affect you. Unionise and you are better able to deal with issues.. the more that are then the more power you have. Unit, like me is a self employed individual, and we have no rights other than those we give ourselves.... most however do not have this flexibility.
The copyright concept has been done to death... and again I disagree in principal with Uo1s concept...
tmsarch... I share your pain... and have desperately to balance baffling with brilliant.
As you say... ON TOPIC...
I sincerely hope the originator can get in touch with me info@bajr.org and we can talk about what more can be done.
and thank you for seeing that I do spend time and effort in finding good replies... and others as well.. BAJR FEd is supposed to be a talking shop... not talking sh#t
Altering work hours with no notice - Gilraen - 9th June 2010
The World Cup starts on Friday - if a bunch of guys canne spare fifteen minutes outta the dae to wax lyrical of the joy o' tha game whilst lookin' busy over a shovel, then I dunnee know what thee world is comin' to...
Altering work hours with no notice - GnomeKing - 10th June 2010
Sometimes it is necessary to make a mountain of a mole hill...
"Heavily drunk,
lying flat on the sand
-don't laugh at me -
From the old days,
very few return
from the battlefield"
What is it that we do?..and Why? - 'ancient remnant studies' are surely for the Common Good not individual profit?
What possible reason could a commercial company justify for deploying copyright laws, other than to protect their failings, or hide the missing corners from disgruntled Competitors?
None fear truth but those with something to hide....(and, possibly, academics with a new script or research proposal)
the work requires Creative input - if people felt they had ownership/stake in the results of their work, or simply felt valued by their employer, or felt they were engaged in a mutually empowering relationship, then...and only then....should they make unpaid labour or other non-contractual efforts available.
after all, as archaeologists it is surely ridiculous for trained proffesionals to stand idle while sites are rushed on minimal bugets ... ... isn't it?
however, commercially, this must be regarded as an enormous Favour - an exception earned by previous merit - not a persistent situation
Camerons Cuts should not start here...
If commercial employers can only Degrade and not Improve work satisfaction, conditions or remuneration, then they can be assisted through the Democratic Actions of the workforce - after all a proper ballot has legal status that an employer must abide with - (for now...) - meaning there is no driect fault in regard of a client, unless of course the employer really has persistently or greavously abused their teams of archaeological field workers, specialists and various support crews...
'1 is wrong to portray unions in labourers flat caps and donkey jackets - and others have also been wrong to suggest that union=strike
Union=democracy and commercial accountability - (or at least a move toward them)
"I'm sorry Mr/Mrs Developer, i cant ask them to work longer/harder faster - their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"No we had better not fuck around with tea breaks and the like - their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"Yes, the fault is mine, i put in a stupid tender and failed myself and archaeology - i would like to shift the blame eslewhere, but their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"Yes the price is higher than last time, we have to meet new national criteria - or risk a conflict with the unions...you wont find many reputable/approved organisations that would"
Acorns to Oaks - Molehills to Mountains.
Does your employer deserve the extra commitment? Does the Archaeology?
(Does the excavator have copyright for work conducted on sites outside of contractual hours?)
Altering work hours with no notice - Odinn - 10th June 2010
GnomeKing Wrote:What possible reason could a commercial company justify for deploying copyright laws, other than to protect their failings, or hide the missing corners from disgruntled Competitors?
Umm, perhaps precisely because they are a commercial company? Said work has material value to them, so they will wish to protect that. It's a basic commercial imperative and you don't need to go looking for conspiracies at all.
Altering work hours with no notice - BAJR - 10th June 2010
Quote:'1 is wrong to portray unions in labourers flat caps and donkey jackets - and others have also been wrong to suggest that union=strike
Union=democracy and commercial accountability - (or at least a move toward them)
"I'm sorry Mr/Mrs Developer, i cant ask them to work longer/harder faster - their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"No we had better not fuck around with tea breaks and the like - their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"Yes, the fault is mine, i put in a stupid tender and failed myself and archaeology - i would like to shift the blame eslewhere, but their union will kick up a huge fuss"
"Yes the price is higher than last time, we have to meet new national criteria - or risk a conflict with the unions...you wont find many reputable/approved organisations that would"
absolutely.
and I hope the original advice helped the poster... and i get some idea of what is happening
Altering work hours with no notice - Unitof1 - 10th June 2010
Drive time to and from site. Welfare conditions. Pick up at unit, pick up along route. Take own vehicle. Driving. Working away from office. Hazarded materials and conditions. Working in the rain, PPE. Unpaid supervision, machine watching, Contract period. No contract. overtime, Not working over Christmas. Pensions. Holiday pay. Sick pay. Signing on. Accommodation provided. First in last out. There might be work on Monday. Working with unqualified people. The Digger, Bajr. Jump up and down, Unions sweet FA. Another chainoffools will be along tomorrow.
Yes my view is that archaeology and traditional employment conditions don’t mix. The traditional way produces crap managers who then employ crap diggers to keep their crap and often highly subsidised crap methodology going. There is another way but it does not solve chainos current contract discrepancies. Oh and we cant mention the unit name, the client, the county, the job.
You probably don’t like the concept that archaeology is about banging out context sheets ? and that you can look at a pre-ex plan, estimate the number of features divide them up by the number of diggers, know what your screwing the client for, and cut your corn,, cloth accordingly , might even get the machine back in. The management in this case could probably quite easily have told the client to mind their own business and that their workers were highly efficient and that the process of work includes vast periods not digging. But they didn’t, ha ha. I would like to imagine that the management were doing it to hack off the downtrodden workers but I bet that its cause the management are crap in the traditional employment way. Chaino are the managers on permanent contracts? Let me guess.