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Unethical ? - the invisible man - 19th June 2007
To reveal your tender to another contractor (or anyone else) is not legal and would invalidate your own tender. At least in would in construction anyway.
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Unethical ? - 1man1desk - 19th June 2007
The circumstances outlined in the original post clearly imply a deliberate intent to deceive, in the context of a specific tender.
That would certainly be unethical. As the intent to decieve would be intended to gain an unfair commercial advantage, then it may well be illegal too.
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Unethical ? - Steve-B - 19th June 2007
mmm, in my trade, I will always try to win the business if I can, but I have never and wouldnt phone a competitor for a price to be able to undercut. Not quite cricket is it?
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Unethical ? - garybrun - 19th June 2007
Depends how much the contract was worth???
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Unethical ? - the invisible man - 19th June 2007
No, it woildn't matter if it was one pound or hundred million pound contract, the principle is the same.
But if it was a real contract, when contractor A rang contractor B, wouldn't B recognise the details as originally provided by client C (or his consultant D)?
And surely you're not telling me that tenders are invited and submitted over the phone????? Even the custard-making industry doesn't do that!
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Unethical ? - garybrun - 19th June 2007
No, it woildn't matter if it was one pound or hundred million pound contract, the principle is the same.
Yes it would matter because human greed would take over and multi-million pound contracts would have no principles when the crunch came to the crunch.
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Unethical ? - Steve-B - 20th June 2007
I think human greed is dependant on the individual and his/her level of personal integrity rather than the sum of money involved.
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Unethical ? - garybrun - 20th June 2007
Quote:quote:Originally posted by Steve-B
I think human greed is dependant on the individual and his/her level of personal integrity rather than the sum of money involved.
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I agree... didnt mean taint everyone with the same brush.
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Unethical ? - the invisible man - 20th June 2007
Perhaps we are slightly at cross purposes here. I was referring to the legal and ethical principles, which do not vary with the sum involved, and not to the degree of temptation. I see it as rather unlikely that anyone would either invite or submit multi-million pound tenders in a phone call in any event.
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Unethical ? - Galarch - 20th June 2007
I have consulted with the FSB and it is an offence to 'obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception'. This would be difficult to prove if not carried through to conclusion but nevertheless shows that it [u]is</u> a legal as well as a moral issue.
An offence is also committed if, by impersonating another individual/body, you adversley affect that person/bodie's reputation - but I don't think that is the case here.
A good piece of advice from the lawyer was never to talk prices over the phone unless you are 100% sure of the callers identity, always ask them to send an email to which you can respond or get a postal address and put it in writing. Most reasonable people will accept this as 'company policy'.