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HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - P Prentice - 24th March 2014
kevin wooldridge Wrote:My impression is that there are plenty of experienced people who would return to the fold if offered the right wage and a reasonable length of contract. So it seems to me that solving the skills shortage is entirely within the grasp of the profession.....i dont think anybody would argue against it but then i dont think anybody will pay it - yet
If anyone would like figures to play with I would suggest £30,000 minimum for supervisory staff and at least 12 months contract minimum....
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - Marc Berger - 25th March 2014
Pay what to whom for what?..and where is all this wonderful archaeology going to end up? Basically we have a developer: the state with compulsory purchase rights and enough indirect control over the inspectorate system who will employ archaeologists to work for them under their conditions and to then deposit the archive in an underfunded state storage facility at subsidised rates. No real compensation will ever be calculated for the loss of the archaeology to the original custodians: the landowners, who as a result place almost no value on its preservation other than as a last threat against planning applications often buried amongst bats and loss of amenity which they also little value. Until archaeologists start working for the land owners AGAINST "developers" with real costs based on proper evaluation methods Mr Woolldridges £30000 is whimsy but for a few consultants chancers paid to sit at Public Inquiries.
Until the landowners understand that archaeology value is based on "doing" archaeology all we are going to get is archaeologists going through the motions. And we all know what motions are.
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - GnomeKing - 25th March 2014
Marc Berger Wrote:. Until archaeologists start working for the land owners AGAINST "developers" with real costs based on proper evaluation methods
interesting
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - Sith - 31st March 2014
P Prentice Wrote:inviting foreign archaeologists, and presumably foreign companies is an equally entertaining idea
P Prentice Wrote:hs2 is far bigger than anything before and wont be out to conventional tender as much as 'allocated'.
One 'word': OJEU.
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - Boxoffrogs - 31st March 2014
WesOx strikes again....
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - Jack - 31st March 2014
Marc Berger Wrote:.....<snip> Until archaeologists start working for the land owners AGAINST "developers" with real costs based on proper evaluation methods Mr Woolldridges £30000 is whimsy but for a few consultants chancers paid to sit at Public Inquiries.
Until the landowners understand that archaeology value is based on "doing" archaeology all we are going to get is archaeologists going through the motions. And we all know what motions are.
GnomeKing Wrote:interesting
Yes.........very interesting. Devious, underhand, morally in the black..............but in line with the rest of the 'business world'
If landowners valued the archaeology under their topsoil, could place a money value on it, then this value would be added to the compensation paid and hence would be a money spinner for landowners.
Witness the mass explosion of archaeological evaluation of land across the country....but with a pre-disposition that missing valuable archaeology would result in a costly court case for those who did the work!
Archaeology for grown ups! I love it}
HS2 high-speed - archaeologists jamboree? - Sikelgaita - 31st March 2014
Jack Wrote:If landowners valued the archaeology under their topsoil, could place a money value on it, then this value would be added to the compensation paid and hence would be a money spinner for landowners.
Or maybe the landowner trying to sell some land and the prospective purchaser/developer who offers to buy the land at a lower cost because of the monetary value of the archaeology.