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Whats in their briefs? - Printable Version +- BAJR Federation Archaeology (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk) +-- Forum: BAJR Federation Forums (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Forum: The Site Hut (http://www.bajrfed.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: Whats in their briefs? (/showthread.php?tid=5829) |
Whats in their briefs? - Marc Berger - 29th May 2016 if we get away from my BAJR museum plans and go back to the deliberations of the planning inspector we can see no mention of any brief or museum. https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewDocument.aspx?fileid=13416164 The Inspector appears to have got information to come up with this pronouncement: Quote:The evidence before me suggests that the remains may date back to the late Saxon – early medieval period, with the lesser possibility of prehistoric remnants. The former would potentially chart the settled development of the area. The parties have provided differing assessments of the significance of the remains, and I have taken into account the Council’s that this situation may have resulted from the more limited scope undertaken by the appellant’s initial evaluation.The inspectors speculation gives the impression that the reasoning for the inspectors desicion might have been got from the evaluation report but the use of "suggest" and "lesser possibility" suggest to me more than likely it might have come from the Mountys contribution which says Quote:Further to the previous pre-application discussions, a geophysical survey and evaluation excavation have been undertaken within the site. Although a copy of this report does not seem to have been submitted as part of this application (……SCCAU ref 1168). The evaluation trenching identified several features containing evidence for metal working and possibly dating to the Late Saxon period together with evidence likely to relate to documented 18th century repairs to the church.Although i dont know where early medieval and prehistoric remains come from I suggest that the Council when it made its decision did not see the report but accepted the mounties instruction and so educated the counci went on to use the non specific reserved matters phraseology supplied by the mounties. It is impossible for any archaeologist or planning inspector to work out what work is required. In NPPF terms the condition does not appear to be precise. Why the inspector does not comment on the actual phrasing of the condition suggests that they have some rule but for me what I most dont understand is the Reasons used in the conditions. Surly the reason should be the reasons used by the inspector Quote:The evidence before me suggests that the remains may date back to the late Saxon – early medieval period, with the lesser possibility of prehistoric remnants. The former would potentially chart the settled development of the areaif reasons where stated like that in the decisions it might make sense of the term "plan making" in NPPF 141. Just what's the point of saying the reason is an out of date local plan? I think a question here and something true about the respect for field archaeologists by the planning authorities is why didn’t the inspector talk to the archaeologist who undertook the evaluation or as the mounties like to call it for some odd reason “evaluation excavation.” and find out what they thought would be best. Personally I am all for excavation on what I can workout from this site and it appears to me that about fifty % of the watching briefs that I have ever done should have been excavations.... Whats in their briefs? - Marc Berger - 13th June 2016 Well I am not sure what result that I got out of the ombudsman on briefs. It appears that I must have a brief but its not much of an injustice if they don't let me have a brief. What they haven't said is when I should be able to have the brief. I think the brief should be agreed for the Decision Notice and the archaeological Reasons for the brief should be presented in the Decision Notice Reasons Quote:Local Government Ombudsman Anybody got any advice on what I should do? Whats in their briefs? - Marc Berger - 20th June 2016 Thanks gang. I am not sure about what challenging what in the high court would be of benefit. My current view is that if briefs are to be employed they should be produced by the authorities before the Conditions are set down in the Decision notice. I haven’t found away to test this out just yet other than just demanding to see all briefs as soon as the Decision is made. Whats in their briefs? - GnomeKing - 20th June 2016 I agree that there is a MAJOR problem with briefs and holding 'Archaeological Advisors' (CCs/Consultants) to account on any matter actually related to the archaeology; personally I have pretty much given up on a System that needs fixing from bottom to top...i have 6 or 7 examples now of total indifference on a variety of issues, from Professionals in key positions, who frankly should be ashamed to call themselves Archaeologists. 5 years later, and total impact = zero, so make your own calculations... However, i have some issues with the following; "What "must" an archaeologist do be sure that they have followed the Cifas guidance on ownership?" + "What the economics say is that I record the site, leave the objects on site and let the public depository pick them up and identify them if they want." = perhaps a problematic contradiction indeed! BUT > as an Archaeologist, there is a clear Moral and Ethical expectation from society (and other Archaeologists) that a Duty of Care will be followed by a 'practitioner of Archaeology' in regard of the material remains of the past they encounter, regardless of Policies, Laws, or particular professional memberships. Whats in their briefs? - Marc Berger - 20th June 2016 I suppose that by duty of care that I leave the finds where they will not trip up anybody although I imagine that would fall under the land owners public liability insurance which is another reason to point out to the landowner that they belong to them. The morals and ethics are that CIFA use the word “must” a lot in their codes. On ownership CIFA make a definitive connection between the ownership of the property and the ownership of the objects found on that property in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Isle of Man ownership of objects rests with the landowner. There are many countries in Europe and Scotland that make the ownership of objects a matter of the State. Along with The archaeologist undertaking the fieldwork or the planning archaeologist must make this clear at the inception of the project (in the brief/project outline, WSI or project design). There is 3.10.7 Except in Scotland, in the event that the landowner is unwilling, for whatever reason, to donate the finds to the appropriate recipient museum, the archaeologist undertaking the fieldwork must endeavour to ensure all artefacts and ecofacts are recorded, safely packaged and conserved where appropriate before transfer to the owner, and that their location and ownership are stated in the site archive and public record. It should be noted that the owner’s explicit (written) permission is required before entering such personal information in the public record (see inter alia the Data Protection Act 1984). This has a must endeavour…. ecofacts are recorded….before transfer to the owner. I don’t see how the field archaeologist gets the right of “transfer” For an archaeologists to be sure that a landowner understands their ownership that the landowner would not give permission to have their personal information in the public record. I don’t think they need any reason to be unwilling to “donate”. The default should be that they have ownership. I think that to donate the automatic attitude of the landowner should be that they have ownership and that whoever wants the artefacts has to give the landowner a good reason why they should have them. We have a public service that is being devastated mostly due to their unsustainable expense. There is a Public libraries and Museum Act of 1964 which expected local museums to charge at the door if they had to and to set up funds for the purchase of objects. The public libraries are almost a museum item but there are no local museums only county museums and they charge to deposit these "donated" items and publish no accounts. Whats in their briefs? - Marc Berger - 23rd June 2016 Anybody care to back me? Quote:Local Government Whats in their briefs? - Manuport - 21st July 2016 BAJR Wrote:I have to report them to the Crown and they are disposed to museums. ( or skip if they are disclaimed) I am worried ... I know the TT website says we can do with it as we wish ... but are you sure this is firm ground? Why, if the Crown has not claimed the Scottish material, do we acquire ownership of the material to enable disposal? I am NOT a practitioner of Scots law but by instinct I would envisage it as highly likely that ownership, once disclaimed by the Crown, would revert to the landowner ... so maybe not even your client if they only have an option on the ground. Do you know if the TT advice is based on specific legal guidance ... or is it more a statement that it's our problem once they disclaim! Quick ... to that skip ... for those unfamiliar, I've seen decent Scottish urban medieval assemblages disclaimed ... and Roman material recovered from native sites ... so we're not talking 19th century bricks & bottles here ... |