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General Rant! - kevin wooldridge - 29th June 2011
Dinosaur Wrote:Wouldn't that just leave the people who actually wanted to be archaeologists in the first place even more in debt before they can go out and get an underpaid job?
...and the alternative is...?
General Rant! - P Prentice - 30th June 2011
kevin wooldridge Wrote:...and the alternative is...?
perhaps he wont do positive for fear of being found wanting
General Rant! - monty - 30th June 2011
wax Wrote:a six months work experience place after graduating would be great, even better if it was paid ( minimum wage would do). Other industries manage serious work placement so why cant archaeology. Or is it too much to ask universities and commercial outfits to work together :face-crying:
minimum wage will [size="5"]not[/size] do !!!!!!!!
General Rant! - deadlylampshade - 30th June 2011
monty Wrote:minimum wage will not do !!!!!!!!
Oh? And why should they get more than the rest of us?:face-stir:
General Rant! - Wax - 30th June 2011
Should have worded that better what I meant was that a serious work placement should be paid and not undertaken as voluntary work or internships which have no remuneration. Work placement should receive at least the minimum wage or the rate for the job bearing in mind the person will be a trainee. Or is Monty suggesting that work placements should not be paid}
General Rant! - P Prentice - 1st July 2011
Wax Wrote:Should have worded that better what I meant was that a serious work placement should be paid and not undertaken as voluntary work or internships which have no remuneration. Work placement should receive at least the minimum wage or the rate for the job bearing in mind the person will be a trainee. Or is Monty suggesting that work placements should not be paid}
Well if monty aint, i am
If the profession is ever to achieve the status and remuneration contributors to this forum espouse then it must require graduate entry and graduates must be required to learn commercial archaeology and its weirding ways. They can only do this as placements and they should do this in term time. if such a degree fails to provide sufficient transerferable skills then so be it - the result will be fewer archaeology students, fewer, more capable people chasing fewer jobs and the basis for a proper profession. peolple without a degree could of course work as a volunteer
and before you start bleating, people without a degree who are already skilled can always go to night school at their employers expense
sorted
General Rant! - archie - 1st July 2011
see your point, don't necessarily agree with it....in do agree that uni's should educate more in the practical side of archaeology, i do agree that archaeology should move towards being a sphere which doesn't necessarily require but prefers graduate entry (and to be fair, the majority of new archaeologist do have at least one degree) - don't agree that they should work for free to learn....if your going to learn on the job, you need minimum wage to do it!
General Rant! - Sith - 4th July 2011
P Prentice Wrote:peolple without a degree could of course work as a volunteer
and before you start bleating, people without a degree who are already skilled can always go to night school at their employers expense
sorted
Can they? VMP employs a humungous number of minions and has a fairly large budget but even they have madly trimmed back on further education rather than essential 'training' (H&S and the like). Given the state of most 'traditional' archaeological employers I can't see them forking out even if it would be to their own long term benefit.
General Rant! - P Prentice - 4th July 2011
Sith Wrote:Can they? VMP employs a humungous number of minions and has a fairly large budget but even they have madly trimmed back on further education rather than essential 'training' (H&S and the like). Given the state of most 'traditional' archaeological employers I can't see them forking out even if it would be to their own long term benefit.
if the market moves as one the market can bare the costs and reap the benefits - evenly
for the market to move as one it needs to be regulated - evenly
regulation can only work through .........blah blah
General Rant! - dmama - 4th July 2011
how's about a compromise...? i'm a old msc bod. we got paid to learn the practical side, no degree needed and some of the best archaeologists came from that scheme. a dgree is only the beginning. abit like driving you only learn how to drive once you've past your test. some are natural some are not but everyone has to be able to handle the basics...how about apprentiships or tasters (i suppose that would be akin to volunteering) before committing to a degree. it might just stop those who think that they have god given right to the best jobs just cos they can spell archaeology! (that's meant lightly). }