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IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - trainedchimp - 9th July 2010
traiterous mud bloods?
not quite, although it read that way the first time I read it and nearly dropped my bacon sarnie. I think (and I must admit to having deliberately ignored this one in the past) that the point was that the IfA's stated aim is to make accreditation a bar to entry to the profession (i.e. you can only practise as an archaeologist if you're in the IfA). To make that even a vague starter, the IfA needs to have a much bigger membership so that they achieve this aim. I'd recommend reading the pronouncements on their website, particularly the frankly baffling response to PPS5, which somehow was taken as an endorsement of the need for 'accreditation' (I think that the word expert was used...). Oh yes, and IfA members and RAOs would never countenance any of the sharp practices that non RAOs and non-members routinely employ.
@unit, I've worked for local government, 'charities', totally private, disestablished local government, universities and 'not universities'. The only ones who've offered to pay my IfA subs were private. Dunno about EH though, so you could be onto something there...
@dirtyboy, one of the RAO criteria is provision of the CPD required by IfA members, and the validation committee audit that.
I think that as Jessica Mitford nearly said, the problem isn't with a small minority of cowboy archaeologists, but the bulk of the decent, reputable archaeologists.
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - Dirty Boy - 10th July 2010
trainedchimp Wrote:@dirtyboy, one of the RAO criteria is provision of the CPD required by IfA members, and the validation committee audit that.
Ah! thanks for that. I was hoping there was some form of condition placed on RAO's. Good to know.
Quote:Oh yes, and IfA members and RAOs would never countenance any of the sharp practices that non RAOs and non-members routinely employ.
No. Never. RAO = shiney and responsible. honest :face-stir:
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - archaeologyexile - 10th July 2010
I'd certainly say it value to my emplyer but they didn't follow the IFA minima reccomendations and constantly got round things by suggesting that while the individual was of MIFA status their current job was mostly PIFA etc etc ...
As to whther I would take it off of course I wouldn't it was free and some people put value to it, but until we end up with a closed shop ro something similar the IFA will never be any good....all the pay rises I ever achieved I did though personal negotiation, I even joined the union and its never did any good...too far from London!
I feel that its ultimately up to us to determine the level of pay we accept...where else would professionals of several years standing with numerous publications etc accept salaries too small to get mortgages on!
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - Dinosaur - 12th July 2010
Exactly who put IFA in charge that they have the right to even suggest that the likes of myself should not be allowed to function as a professional archaeologist (which I've been doing for 30+ years without anyone ever suggesting I wasn't competent) without joining their organisation? Frankly they can get stuffed!
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - Bigpicture - 16th July 2010
Dinosaur Wrote:If no archaeology's getting destroyed by people building things then that's pretty much all of the people using this website scr***d then, starting with the diggers, the people who manage them, the specialists who look at the stuff they dig up, the curators who deal with the planning etc, the academics who justify their existence by teaching/training all of the above, etc etc......expect there'll still be seasonal work on the Time Team until Channel 4 pulls the plug on that....Bigpicture, how is that 'a bit of light' for British archaeology???? :0
Dino (and apologies Hosty - appreciate this is a bit off topic and a bit ancient now) my original post was borne out of a sense of panic that we will all soon be scraping the barrel in a way that will be considerably worse than a year ago. The impressionI get is that most people in the private sector feel things are improving. Certainly, things at my unit are getting busier. My concern is the same as you have reached yourself, that with the closure of BSF, road schemes and any other number of essential infrastructural projects that were giving a glimmer of hope to the construction industry as a whole will have a knock-on effect to those of us within the private sector, especially when there aren't any local authority archaeologists to enforce planning conditions. My comment about no development being a "bit of light" was just a flippant remark that even if we're all unemployed, at least this stuff won't be destroyed because everyone else in the construction industry will be in the same boat (i.e. not working).
I think most people on this website are fundamentally on the same side - the whiff of desperation from the regular posters on this site to attack those of us less regular ones is a bit stifling. Is it any wonder that there are so many visitors to the site and so few posters? I await round two....
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - BAJR - 17th July 2010
No apology needed...
it should be something remembered that creating a welcome forum and the digital equivellent of the bar going quiet when you walk in, is what we have here. I am always happy to see others post.. and welcome it. I often hear from people saying they are too scared to post. We should all be able to...
I agree that the knock on could be extensive.... and we should keep an eye on it... as PPS5 will be not worth the paper if the system is dismantled by destruction of the curatorial services and construction industry. I do believe that even this govt wll not be daft enough to stifle recovery by wiping out construction growth. I hope!
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - Dinosaur - 19th July 2010
I'm happy to apologise to Bigpicture if he thought my response was a bit too rabid :face-approve:
Have the distinct impression here that most significant developers are awaiting the government spending review, so could be a fairly quiet summer followed by a frenzy of activity, or not, come the autumn. S'ok, plenty of smaller stuff going on
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - BAJR - 19th July 2010
Lovely... we are all cool!
I am, like many others, waiting with baited breath to see the reaction of the construction industry - and only then will we all know what is happening. I'm praying for a wild autumn! That said, as Dino says, there is lots going on... steady... I think the term is.
THe big question is... and we return to the thread.... can anyone afford the rises required to meet the benchmark? And if not... was there a point?
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - deadlylampshade - 19th July 2010
There is always a point in trying to improve standards;:face-approve: and it is a benchmark which is being suggested which should encourage some to attempt to at least match it...
IfA - Salary benchamarking, report and new consultation - GnomeKing - 19th July 2010
experienced well-trained motivated perceptive and bright employees are worth far more at all levels than 'some of the others' - so yes, 'we' can afford to pay that much, but;
"if we are not going to pay peanuts then we must lose the monkeys"
(who decides that, and how i wonder...)