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Job Titles
#1
Many of those titles apply in many units, but the don't always mean the same thing.

I got a big boost in my career when I applied for a job in Scotland as a 'Supervisor' only to find at the interview that it meant something like 'Excavation Director', which would not have been the case in England. I got the job, and luckily it turned out I was able to do it...

Jobs advertised simply as 'Archaeologist', or even 'Assistant Archaeologist', will mean something completely different (often at a higher level of skill and responsibility) if they are in a consultancy firm or a public body like the Environment Agency rather than a unit.

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#2
This was the point of my question really, is it worth trying to establish common titles - so that 'supervisor' becomes a widely understood term that does not mean 'excavation director'!

Clearly different titles also have different levels of responsibility. Field Officers in a smaller unit will have a higher level of autonomy than Project Officers in a large unit, and there will be other nuances.

I wonder if it is worth trying to establish/formalise job titles and link them to the IFA pay scales discussed elsewhere on this forum?
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#3
It might be a good idea, but I am not sure it would work. Essentially, you would have to persuade every employer to comply, and they are a very diverse group.

Many employers have well-established systems for devising job titles that have to work across many different professions, so the archaeologists have to fit in (just like everyone else), rather than doing their own independent thing.

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#4
Quote:quote:Essentially, you would have to persuade every employer to comply

Obviously! But that hasn't deterred people from attempting to look at pay and conditions across the board. Arguably this is an easier task.

Quote:quote:Many employers have well-established systems for devising job titles that have to work across many different professions, so the archaeologists have to fit in

The only circumstance I can think of where this statement is relevant is in large multi-disciplinary consultancies (where, in any case, an archaeologist is likely to have the title 'Archaeologist'). Most other employers of archaeologists are either local authorities (which already have a wide range of different job titles for different professions at the same level - eg. 'senior engineer', 'senior archaeologist' etc.) or private archaeological contracting firms, in which case your point is irrelevant.
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#5
Not really irrelevant. The point is not to have the same title, as the same structure for the title.

In a consultancy, for instance, an 'assistant archaeologist' is the same grade as an 'assistant ecologist' or an 'assistant engineer' (in archaeology terms, usually graduate to PIFA level). An 'archaeologist' is the same grade as an 'engineer' (PIFA to AIFA), while all 'senior [insert name of profession]s' are the same grade (AIFA to MIFA).

A consultancy, local authority, Environment Agency, Highways Agency etc (all of these employ archaeologists) could not comply with a standard structure for job titles that suits archaeological units.

I do think, however, that you could arrive at a standard set of titles for field units only, with associated defined levels of responsibility, and that might be a good thing.

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#6
The problem, if problem it be, is partly down to the varying size of employers (staff numbers, not nano-employers!). A small outfit is unlikely to care much what they call you and you are likely to be called upon to carry out a variety of tasks - often at varying "levels". Personally I like that, I've never been keen on earning stripes and badges! Also your title tends to vary in proportion to the economic climate - too much work and not enough staff means a gradiose title, then a year or two later and the position is reversed, you're down from Emperor of the Universe to Assistant Stapler Reloader. In fact you're doing exactly the same thing.

Larger firms understandably feel the need to introduce human stratigraphy to try to cope with pay levels and so on. This tends to lead to all sorts of pettiness and point scoring. I've known someone demand to be paid more than me because he was older than me. There is little chance of things ever being uniform across different employers or types of employers.

Personally I don't care what they call me as long as they press the necessary into my grubby little mitts every month.

We owe the dead nothing but the truth.
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#7
thanks for reactivating this one...

After Kennys Profile, we have a fair idea of what people call people (yes and call people *** too !! Wink
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however simplification and dutues has been at the core of the BAJR system since 2003

7 levels, seven levels of responsibility, seven terms (from trainee to Grand High Poobah.....

yes we can have room to say that Digger = Site Assistant = Excavation Assistant = site worker etc etc.... all words for the same basic job.

So here is the clever bit.

here is the list of job titles and kennys breakdown

Name given (number of people calling themselves that) IFA Designation

Can you group these into sensible categories, or is kennys designation fine? and what BAJR level should they be.... and could you enhance the text of the BAJR levels? there that will keep you busy!


Profile : http://www.britarch.ac.uk/training/app4.pdf
BAJR Levels : http://www.bajr.org/Employment/UKEmploymentFAQ.htm#2

Academic director 1 Director or manager
Academic editors 4 Editor
Academic staff 38 Academic staff
Administration assistant 2 Administrator
Administration officer 2 Administrator
Administrative assistant 1 Administrator
Administrative officer 2 Administrator
Administrator 4 Administrator
Aerial photographer 1 Photographer
Air photograph
interpreters
2 Photographer
Air photography officer 1 Photographer
Antiquities conservator /
museum consultant
1 Conservator
Archaeology and
planning officer
1 Planning archaeologist
Archaeobotanist 1 Archaeological scientist
Archaeogeophysicist 2 Surveyor
Archaeological adviser 2 Other posts
Archaeological and social
history registrar
1 Senior posts
Archaeological assistant 45 Archaeological assistant
Archaeological assistant
(SMR officer)
1 SMR officer
Archaeological
conservation assistant
1 Conservation
archaeologist
Archaeological
conservation officer
2 Conservation
archaeologist
Archaeological
conservator
9 Conservator
Archaeological consultant 9 Consultant
Archaeological
consultant / contractor
2 Consultant
Archaeological course
co-ordinator fte
1 Other posts
Post title Individuals Profile title
Archaeological
development control
assistant
1 Planning archaeologist
Archaeological director 2 Director or manager
Archaeological
draughtperson
1 Illustrator
Archaeological excavator 1 Excavator or site assistant
Archaeological field officer 4 Field officer
Archaeological field
worker
1 Other posts
Archaeological illustrator 10 Illustrator
Archaeological illustrator
(assistant)
1 Illustrator
Archaeological illustrator
(senior)
1 Illustrator
Archaeological
interpretation officer
1 Other posts
Archaeological keeper 1 Museum archaeologist
Archaeological manager 3 Director or manager
Archaeological officer 18 Archaeological officer
Archaeological officer &
curator SMR
1 SMR officer
Archaeological officer
(development control)
1 Planning archaeologist
Archaeological
photographer
1 Photographer
Archaeological project
director
1 Director or manager
Archaeological project
manager
5 Project manager
Archaeological project
officer
9 Project officer
Archaeological records
officer
4 SMR officer
Archaeological scientist 1 Archaeological scientist
Archaeological service
manager
1 Director or manager
105
Post title Individuals Profile title
Archaeological site
supervisor
4 Supervisor
Archaeological staff 8 Junior posts
Archaeological supervisor 13 Supervisor
Archaeological
supervisors
6 Supervisor
Archaeological support
officer
4 Other posts
Archaeological team
leader
1 Senior posts
Archaeological technician 8 Archaeological scientist
Archaeological unit
manager
1 Director or manager
Archaeological worker 43 Junior posts
Archaeologist 123 Archaeologist
Archaeologist & historic
buildings consultant
1 Consultant
Archaeologist (finds) 4 Finds officer
Archaeologist (planning) 1 Planning archaeologist
Archaeologist (project
officer)
1 Project officer
Archaeologist ? finds /
environmental unit
32 Archaeological scientist
Archaeologist / buildings
historian
1 Archaeologist
Archaeologist / warden 1 Warden
Archaeologist /
administrator
1 Archaeologist
Archaeologist / warden 1 Warden
Archaeology adviser 4 Other posts
Archaeology advisor 4 Other posts
Archaeology and
heritage adviser
1 Other posts
Archaeology assistant 6 Junior posts
Archaeology course
manager
1 Director or manager
Archaeology keeper 1 Museum archaeologist
Archaeology officer 11 Archaeological officer
Archaeology placement
student
1 Junior posts
Archaeology programme
planner
1 Other posts
Archaeology projects
assistant
1 Junior posts
Archaeology service
manager
1 Director or manager
Archaeology unit
manager
1 Director or manager
Archaeometallurgist 1 Archaeological scientist
Archaeozoologist 1 Archaeological scientist
Architect technician 1 Archaeological scientist
Archives assistant 1 Junior posts
Archives officer 2 Other posts
Archivist 1 Other posts
Artefact researcher 5 Finds officer
Artefacts manager 2 Finds officer
Artefacts supervisor 2 Finds officer
Assistant 3 Junior posts
Post title Individuals Profile title
Assistant archaeological
advisor
2 Junior posts
Assistant archaeological
field officer
1 Field officer
Assistant archaeologist 17 Assistant archaeologist
Assistant archaeologist /
illustrator
1 Illustrator
Assistant archaeology
officer
1 Archaeological officer
Assistant commissions
manager
1 Other posts
Assistant county
archaeologist
5 County or regional
archaeologist
Assistant curator 8 Museum archaeologist
Assistant curator
(archaeology)
2 Museum archaeologist
Assistant director 9 Other posts
Assistant director /
county field archaeologist
1 County or regional
archaeologist
Assistant editor 1 Editor
Assistant field
archaeologist
1 Archaeologist
Assistant field officer 3 Field officer
Assistant geophysicist 1 Surveyor
Assistant head of unit 1 Senior posts
Assistant historic
buildings officer
1 Buildings archaeologist
Assistant inspector of
ancient monuments
3 Inspector
Assistant keeper of
archaeology
2 Museum archaeologist
Assistant keeper of local
history and archaeology
2 Museum archaeologist
Assistant keeper:
archaeology
2 Museum archaeologist
Assistant keepers / site
managers
9 Museum archaeologist
Assistant landscapes
officer
1 Junior posts
Assistant manager 3 Other posts
Assistant project officer 3 Project officer
Assistant supervisor 5 Supervisor
Assistant surveyor 1 Surveyor
Assistant to unit manager 1 Other posts
Associate 1 Senior posts
Associate archaeological
consultant
4 Consultant
Associate director 1 Director or manager
Boatman 1 Other posts
Borough archaeologist 2 County or regional
archaeologist
Brick and tile specialist 1 Finds officer
Building analyst 3 Buildings archaeologist
Building recording officer 1 Buildings archaeologist
Building surveyor 4 Surveyor
Cad operator / illustrator 1 Illustrator
Cad / reprographics
supervisor
1 Illustrator
Cathedral archaeologist 1 Senior posts
106 Appendix IV: Post titles
Post title Individuals Profile title
Ceramics specialist 3 Finds officer
Chief archaeologist 1 Senior posts
Chief insp. Of ancient
mon. & historic buildings
1 Inspector
Chief inspector of ancient
monuments
1 Inspector
Chief surveyor 1 Surveyor
City archaeologist 2 County or regional
archaeologist
Clerical assistant 1 Administrator
Coin specialist 1 Finds officer
Collections care
consultant
1 Museum archaeologist
Collections manager 1 Museum archaeologist
Community officer 1 Other posts
Company associate 1 Other posts
Company director 1 Director or manager
Company secretary 1 Administrator
Computer operator 2 Computing officer
Computer research officer 1 Computing officer
Computer supervisor 1 Computing officer
Computing assistant 2 Computing officer
Computing manager 1 Computing officer
Computing officer 2 Computing officer
Conservation assistant 1 Conservation
archaeologist
Conservation manager 1 Conservation
archaeologist
Conservation officer 2 Conservation
archaeologist
Conservation team
manager
2 Conservation
archaeologist
Conservator 9 Conservator
Conservator and field
assistant
1 Conservator
Consultant 1 Consultant
Consultant environmental
archaeologist
1 Consultant
Consultants 2 Consultant
Contracts manager 1 Director or manager
Countryside officer 1 Other posts
County archaeological
officer
2 County or regional
archaeologist
County archaeologist 14 County or regional
archaeologist
County field archaeologist 2 County or regional
archaeologist
Curator 17 Museum archaeologist
Curator ? antiquities 1 Museum archaeologist
Curator / manager 1 Museum archaeologist
Curator archaeology and
social history
1 Museum archaeologist
Curator of archaeological
collections
2 Museum archaeologist
Curator of archaeology 5 Museum archaeologist
Curator, domestic &
personal (rsrch
archaeologist)
1 Museum archaeologist
Post title Individuals Profile title
Curatorial archaeologist
(collections)
2 Museum archaeologist
Curatorial e 3 Museum archaeologist
Curatorial f 1 Museum archaeologist
Curatorial officer 2 Museum archaeologist
Data co-ordinator 1 Other posts
Data processor 1 Junior posts
Defence heritage
consultant
2 Consultant
Demonstrator 4 Other posts
Demonstrator / technician 2 Archaeological scientist
Dendrochronologist 3 Archaeological scientist
Deputy archaeologist 1 Other posts
Deputy curator 2 Museum archaeologist
Deputy director 3 Other posts
Development control
archaeologist
2 Planning archaeologist
Development control
officer
1 Planning archaeologist
Director 26 Director or manager
Director of archaeology 1 Director or manager
Director of excavations 2 Director or manager
Director / lecturer 1 Director or manager
Director / principal field
investigator
1 Director or manager
Director / project officer 3 Project officer
Directors 3 Director or manager
District archaeologist 1 County or regional
archaeologist
District museums officer 1 Museum archaeologist
Documentation assistant 1 Junior posts
Draftsman / building
recording
1 Illustrator
Draughtsperson 2 Illustrator
Editor 6 Editor
Editorial manager 1 Editor
Editorial staff 5 Editor
Education officer 2 Other posts
Education officer / lab
assistant
1 Archaeological scientist
Environmental assistant 2 Archaeological scientist
Environmental manager 2 Archaeological scientist
Environmental officer 1 Archaeological scientist
Environmental scientist 3 Archaeological scientist
Environmental technician 1 Archaeological scientist
Excavation / information
officer
1 Other posts
Excavation assistant 1 Junior posts
Excavation foreman 1 Senior posts
Excavation officer 1 Other posts
Excavation staff 5 Junior posts
Excavations director 1 Director or manager
Excavator 40 Excavator or site assistant
Experienced
archaeologist
10 Other posts
Experienced excavator 9 Excavator or site assistant
Appendix IV: Post titles 107
Post title Individuals Profile title
Faunal analyst 1 Archaeological scientist
Field archaeologist 7 Archaeologist
Field archaeologist /
manager
1 Archaeologist
Field manager 2 Director or manager
Field monument warden 29 Warden
Field officer 23 Field officer
Field officer (stratigraphy) 1 Field officer
Field officer / research
assistant
6 Field officer
Field officer / senior field
officer
6 Field officer
Field staff 27 Other posts
Field unit manager / unit
director
1 Director or manager
Field worker 2 Other posts
Finds administrator 1 Finds officer
Finds and metal working
researcher
1 Finds officer
Finds assistant 7 Finds officer
Finds liaison officer 1 Finds officer
Finds manager 2 Finds officer
Finds officer 1 Finds officer
Finds officers 2 Finds officer
Finds researcher 1 Finds officer
Finds supervisor 1 Finds officer
Finds supervisor /
administrator
1 Finds officer
Finds / archive supervisor 1 Finds officer
General secretary 1 Administrator
Geophysicist 4 Surveyor
Geophysicist / surveyor 1 Surveyor
Graphic artist 4 Illustrator
Graphics manager 1 Illustrator
Graphics officer 6 Illustrator
Graphics / interpretation
officer
1 Illustrator
Head of archaeological
conservation
1 Conservation
archaeologist
Head of archaeology 4 Senior posts
Head of archaeology
section
1 Senior posts
Head of archaeometry 1 Archaeological scientist
Head of artefact research 1 Finds officer
Head of collections and
conservation
1 Museum archaeologist
Head of computing 1 Computing officer
Head of conservation 2 Conservation
archaeologist
Head of documentation,
collections manager
1 Museum archaeologist
Head of education and
interpretation
1 Senior posts
Head of environmental
studies
1 Archaeological scientist
Head of excavations 1 Senior posts
Post title Individuals Profile title
Head of historical
analysis and research
1 Researcher
Head of laboratory 1 Archaeological scientist
Head of monuments
protection
1 Senior posts
Head of museum services 1 Museum archaeologist
Head of public services 1 Senior posts
Head of publications 1 Editor
Head of research, curator
of ordnance
1 Museum archaeologist
Head of services 1 Senior posts
Head of survey 1 Surveyor
Head of technology 1 Senior posts
Head of unit 1 Senior posts
Heritage programme
officer
1 Other posts
Heritage ranger 3 Other posts
Heritage data manager 1 Director or manager
Historian 3 Other posts
Historic buildings adviser 1 Buildings archaeologist
Historic buildings architect 26 Buildings archaeologist
Historic buildings officer 2 Buildings archaeologist
Historic environment
records officer
1 SMR officer
Historical researcher 2 Researcher
Human bone specialist 1 Archaeological scientist
Human history officer 1 Other posts
Human skeletal biologist 1 Archaeological scientist
Humanities / it technician 1 Archaeological scientist
Illustration manager 1 Director or manager
Illustrator 14 Illustrator
Illustrator / designer 4 Illustrator
Illustrator / draughtsman 1 Illustrator
Illustrator / finds assistant 1 Finds officer
Industrial archaeologist 1 Other posts
Information compiler 1 Other posts
Information officer 1 Other posts
Information systems
support
2 Computing officer
Inspector historic
properties
12 Inspector
Inspector of ancient
monuments
34 Inspector
Inspector of historic
buildings
39 Inspector
Investigator 16 Other posts
Investigator / curator 10 Museum archaeologist
Junior site assistant 3 Excavator or site assistant
Keeper 1 Museum archaeologist
Keeper local history and
archaeology
1 Museum archaeologist
Keeper of antiquities 1 Museum archaeologist
Keeper of archaeology 9 Museum archaeologist
Keeper of archaeology
and local history
1 Museum archaeologist
Keeper of collections 1 Museum archaeologist
108 Appendix IV: Post titles
Post title Individuals Profile title
Keeper of field
archaeology
6 Museum archaeologist
Keeper of human history 1 Museum archaeologist
Landscape historian 1 Other posts
Lecturer 59 Academic staff
Lecturer / senior lecturer 19 Academic staff
Lecturer in archaeology 3 Academic staff
Lecturer / senior
lecturer / professor
20 Academic staff
Levels and moors
archaeologist
1 Senior posts
Librarian 1 Other posts
Manager 10 Director or manager
Managing director 1 Director or manager
Managing editor 2 Editor
Managing / projects
director
3 Director or manager
Materials scientist 1 Archaeological scientist
Medieval pottery
researcher
1 Finds officer
Monuments officer 1 Other posts
Museum assistant 4 Museum archaeologist
Museum manager 1 Museum archaeologist
Museums archaeologist 1 Museum archaeologist
Museums assistant /
archaeologist
1 Museum archaeologist
Museums curator 2 Museum archaeologist
Museums officer
(archaeology)
1 Museum archaeologist
Office administrator 1 Administrator
Operations manager 2 Director or manager
Organising tutor /
convenor cert. pract.
archaeol.
1 Academic staff
Palaeopathologist 1 Archaeological scientist
Palynologist 1 Archaeological scientist
Partner 15 Senior posts
Photogrammetrist 1 Photographer
Photogrammetry operator 3 Photographer
Photographer 5 Photographer
Planning archaeologist 2 Planning archaeologist
Planning officer
(archaeology)
1 Planning archaeologist
Portable antiquities officer 2 Other posts
Post excavation /
publication manager
1 Editor
Post-excavation assistant 2 Junior posts
Postgraduate research
assistant
2 Academic staff
Pottery consultant 1 Finds officer
Principal 1 Senior posts
Principal archaeological
officer
2 Archaeological officer
Principal archaeologist 10 Senior posts
Principal conservation
officer (archaeology)
1 Conservation
archaeologist
Post title Individuals Profile title
Principal curator
(collections)
1 Museum archaeologist
Principal curator (keeper
archaeology)
1 Museum archaeologist
Principal curator ?
antiquities
1 Museum archaeologist
Principal field
archaeologist
1 Archaeologist
Principal inspector of
ancient monuments
7 Inspector
Principal keeper of
archaeology
1 Museum archaeologist
Principal landscape
archaeologist
1 Senior posts
Principal lecturer in
archaeology
1 Academic staff
Principal officer 1 Senior posts
Principal officer ?
education
1 Senior posts
Professional 3 Other posts
Professional assistant
(archaeology)
1 Junior posts
Professor 5 Academic staff
Programme organiser in
arch & early mediev. hist.
1 Other posts
Project archaeologist 7 Other posts
Project assistant 14 Junior posts
Project director 10 Director or manager
Project finds officer /
assistant supervisor
1 Finds officer
Project manager 59 Project manager
Project manager / field
officer
7 Project manager
Project officer 85 Project officer
Project researcher 2 Researcher
Project supervisor 19 Supervisor
Projects manager 1 Project manager
Property manager 1 Director or manager
Proprietor 1 Senior posts
Publication officer 2 Editor
Publications officer 2 Editor
Reader 4 Academic staff
Recording officer 1 SMR officer
Records assistant 3 SMR officer
Records manager 1 Director or manager
Records officer 1 SMR officer
Regional archaeologist 13 County or regional
archaeologist
Reports editor 1 Editor
Reports manager 1 Director or manager
Research & technical staff 10 Researcher
Research assistant 22 Researcher
Research fellow 4 Academic staff
Research fellow /
assistant
2 Academic staff
Research fellow /
assistant
12 Academic staff
Appendix IV: Post titles 109
Post title Individuals Profile title
Research fellow /
environmental
archaeologist
1 Archaeological scientist
Research fellow /
experimental officer /
research asst
10 Academic staff
Research manager 1 Director or manager
Research staff 6 Researcher
Researcher 2 Researcher
Roman pottery researcher 1 Finds officer
Roman pottery specialist 1 Finds officer
Scientific dating
co-ordinator
1 Archaeological scientist
Scientific officer 1 Archaeological scientist
Secretary 3 Administrator
Secretary / research 1 Administrator
Senior archaeological
assistant
1 Archaeological assistant
Senior archaeological
consultant
2 Consultant
Senior archaeological
officer
2 Archaeological officer
Senior archaeologist 82 Senior archaeologist
Senior archaeologist
(principal officer)
1 Senior archaeologist
Senior conservation and
heritage scientist
1 Conservation
archaeologist
Senior draughtsman 1 Illustrator
Senior field archaeologist 2 Archaeologist
Senior field officer 2 Field officer
Senior historic buildings
officer
1 Buildings archaeologist
Senior illustrator 1 Illustrator
Senior illustrator /
designer
1 Illustrator
Senior inspector of
historic monuments
5 Inspector
Senior keeper of field
archaeology
2 Museum archaeologist
Senior keeper of human
history
1 Museum archaeologist
Senior landscape
archaeologist
1 Senior posts
Senior lecturer 6 Academic staff
Senior lecturer and reader 7 Academic staff
Senior lecturer / head of
laboratory
1 Academic staff
Senior project assistant 4 Junior posts
Post title Individuals Profile title
Senior project manager 5 Project manager
Senior project officer 4 Project officer
Senior ship archaeologist 1 Senior posts
Senior ship archaeologist
(ship curator)
1 Museum archaeologist
Senior site assistant 8 Excavator or site assistant
Senior surveyor 1 Surveyor
Senior / field officer 3 Field officer
Site assistant 74 Excavator or site assistant
Site director 2 Director or manager
Site supervisor 8 Supervisor
SMR administrator 1 SMR officer
SMR assistant 11 SMR officer
SMR manager 2 SMR officer
SMR officer 14 SMR officer
Soil scientist 1 Archaeological scientist
Staff archaeologist 4 Other posts
Staff tutor in archaeology 1 Academic staff
Stratigraphic assistant 2 Junior posts
Student placement 1 Junior posts
Supervisor 26 Supervisor
Survey officer 2 Surveyor
Survey photographer 1 Photographer
Surveyor 3 Surveyor
Systems development 1 Other posts
Technical 2 Other posts
Technical director
(archaeology)
1 Director or manager
Technical support staff 1 Other posts
Technician 13 Archaeological scientist
Training director 1 Director or manager
Training officer 1 Other posts
Trust manager 1 Director or manager
Tutor 16 Academic staff
Underwater archaeologist 4 Other posts
Unit assistant director 1 Other posts
Unit director 2 Director or manager
Urban archaeology officer 1 Archaeological officer
Vernacular building
surveyor / archaeologist
2 Surveyor
Warden / archaeologist 1 Warden
Young archaeologists?
club co-ordinator
1 Other posts





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Mr hosty, you've missed off "Spoil Heap Integration Technician". [:p]

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Hmmmm, there's quite a few there I could use.
Strange how there's so many there and yet most websites for insurance etc don't even have archaeologist.
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I like to think I am

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