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14th April 2006, 02:42 PM
Well done Host, but please keep BOTH eyes open.
Quote:quote:Higher Wages
Set Structure to Career Grades
Pension rights (compulsory for all)
Holiday Rights (compulsory for all)
Sickness benefits (compulsory for all)
over and above the pro rata salary.
NVQs in practical skills which are tied to the skills required to do the job.
potential movable pension
It all sounds great (tho' the devil is in the detail on 'higher wages'), but its only at the 'warm words' stage. The IFA has only just this year (apparently) made their minimum pay scales 'compulsory' - after how many years? - so scepticism about the future seems justified.
However it is great news that people are trying to move the mountain.
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14th April 2006, 06:54 PM
B) ouch....... I see what you mean!
Another day another WSI?
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15th April 2006, 12:43 AM
Er no Man! what I was trying to say was, if you're not a member why should you expect to go to the conference and if you dont go to the conference why should you expect a voice!
I hope we understand each other now!!
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15th April 2006, 01:27 AM
Sorry having a voice doesn't need a presence at confeerence...
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15th April 2006, 02:20 AM
So if you're not a member, they take notice of what you say do they?
They hardly take any notice of what the members say or want!!
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15th April 2006, 10:36 AM
Early days yet.... but I feel and I do mean this after only one conference - so wouldlike to see if everything said at this conference is either ignored or shelved! - But I do feel that the IFA are now listening.... have accepted the failings of the past decades, but instead of wailing about them... it is time to move on.
At my session, I listed the failing of the IFA, PROSPECT and BAJR (well a personal scathing attack on myself) and then said..... so what.... we all did these things, now what are we going to do....
Change is coming, but it only comes about when the force asserted onto the problem is united.
Another day another WSI?
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17th April 2006, 12:23 PM
And not a single word about standards and the validation system? By all means-sort the pay and conditions out-but please don`t assume that more money will "silence the critics"..........this may indeed work in the world of consultancy/planning authorities but not on the ground.....
..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad)
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17th April 2006, 02:47 PM
I agree Troll, but the two are linked: Get the pay and conditions right and the talented, experienced staff will no longer disappear... Surely one of archaeology's greatest problems. Get to a stage in your career when you are competent to tackle most things, get laid off, don't get enough money to support a family, bugger off to pastures new and leave it all to the new, keen graduates...
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17th April 2006, 02:49 PM
Agree with choccy bikkies-well said!
..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad)
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18th April 2006, 02:56 PM
From Troll:
Quote:quote:Why should the IFA and its members be interested in subsidising non-members? Simply because the IFA write standards about a nationally owned public resource.It`s bad enough that they are answerable to no-one but themselves-the icing on the cake comes when they are successful in denying the majority of heritage professionals an opinion.
Sure, the IFA writes standards. They only impose them on their members, though. If others (curators, for instance) choose to adopt them and impose them in a wider way, that is simply an endorsement of the quality of what the IFA have done and a free benefit to the rest of the archaeological community.
What nationally owned public resource? Its not nationally owned or public.
In what way do they deny you an opinion? All they do is allow their own members to decide their own policies. You obviously have strong opinions, and no-one stops you from expressing them publicly.
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