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21st January 2007, 02:43 PM
I have worked for a certain unit, not the unit being sugested, and was loaned out to other companies when work was short, but with the agreement that I could not apply to the company that was loaning me and that company couldnt offer me work either while I was under contract to other company.
Though if I had been informed that company was not renewing my contract it was fine to apply to anyone.
Though obviously they cant stop anyone from applying where ever they want you would still have give and work notice as the agreed contracted stated.
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21st January 2007, 03:15 PM
Greetings Orky-a contract? Hells teeth, whatever next? As we seem to be happy to restrict ourselves to discussing things in terms and language dictated by others-perhaps the legal implications of what Unitmole has revealed would be the way to go.I think it would be advisable for all those involved in said project (wherever that is) to read their contract of employment carefully, copy it and keep a close eye on your employers adherance or otherwise to it. Of course-legal proceedings are only one set of tools with which to beat a rogue enterprise.....don`t work for them?:face-huh: It has to be said that despite Unitmoles altercation with the websites AUP here, surely as an industry we should be welcoming those who bring to light issues that affect us all.
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21st January 2007, 04:14 PM
As the publisher of the origional post I wish to make it clear that the issue was discussed with David prior to placing it on the website. It is not hearsay at all but a real situation.
I do understand Peters concerns but perhaps he should have also checked things out!
The companies names were posted as they are both advertising for staff at the moment and its really important that diggers are given a chance to make a decision based on as may facts as they can have at thier disposal!
Can we please have the names re-posted as it has been ok'd and it is vital that this thread gets back on track!
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21st January 2007, 05:13 PM
aBSOLUTELY tRUE... Could you edit them back in again..
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21st January 2007, 07:56 PM
troll said:
"I think it would be advisable for all those involved in said project (wherever that is) to read their contract of employment carefully, copy it and keep a close eye on your employers adherance or otherwise to it."
I shouldn't think that this issue is mentioned in the contract. This is an agreement between two groups of managers. It the complete opposite of where I used to work in the Midlands. If one company had people sitting around washing pot, they would try to get them loaned out to other units in the county.
Its not even as though these units are usually in direct competition with each other. They're just both working on this large job, which is certainly unusual for the area.
It would be interesting to hear what the consultants and managers on this forum have to say?
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22nd January 2007, 02:04 PM
Having just come into this discussion, I don't know which units are involved.
However, if this gentlemen's agreement does exist, it sounds to me like a restrictive practice that disadvantages certain potential applicants on the basis of something that is irrelevant to their suitability for the job.
I would be very unsure about the legality of that policy, but I am sure that it sounds ethically wrong. I would strongly encourage those who do know the identity of the units - particularly BAJR Host - to write to the IFA to enquire as to how this sits with the Code of Practice and Bylaws and the RAO rules, and potentially to make a complaint.
However, a word of caution - Unitmole says that he has got this information from 'the archaeological grapevine'. How reliable is the information?
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22nd January 2007, 02:05 PM
I completely agree that its vital not to go off half cocked and name units at will, but we must remeber this was checked with david before posting and only edited as the result of a missunderstanding so the naming of units is not the issue.
To return to the origional thread - the units involved are [u]Cambrian Archaeological Projects and Cotswold Archaeology</u>, so choose wisely when applying for jobs!
What are people opinions on the agreement?
Does anyone know where employees stand legally?
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22nd January 2007, 03:18 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by unitmole
I completely agree that its vital not to go off half cocked and name units at will, but we must remeber this was checked with david before posting and only edited as the result of a missunderstanding so the naming of units is not the issue.
To return to the origional thread - the units involved are [u]Cambrian Archaeological Projects and Cotswold Archaeology</u>, so choose wisely when applying for jobs!
What are people opinions on the agreement?
Does anyone know where employees stand legally?
I don't know the ends and outs of this situation, but is it possible that the two units are in some sort of framework or joint venture agreement which requires them not to undermine each other or take advange of information which would damage one or the other in a competitive environment? In this situation the companies may require each other not to pursue staff in such a way as to undermine the agreement, but it may not actually prohibit anyone (as individuals) from applying with whoever they want? Run this through the rumour mill and it may sound more sinister than it is...obviously enlighten me should this not reflect the situation. [?]
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22nd January 2007, 05:05 PM
This type of agreement is common other areas. I have come across it in the construction, civil engineering and electronic industries. I urge you all not to get carried away with the notion that archaeology is , once again , bearing the brunt of bad practice as I believe that in this case it is not.
This agreement is in place so that there is no poaching of staff from units working on the same project. How would units function if this was not the case? Just look at the situation from the other side of the fence before you all slag off the units concerned
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22nd January 2007, 08:18 PM
It surely goes without saying that it is entirely up to the archaeologists themselves just who they choose to work for and when-regardless of any "gentlemans agreement". As with any linear project, it will quickly become apparent to the archaeologists concerned just who they may have wished they signed up with.Within the bounds of contracts of employment,it is entirely the domain of the field staff to seek work with whom they choose.In this sense, isnt the gentlemans agreement rather negligable anyway?:face-huh:
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