DBA, method statement, project design

[troll]

Wot are you smoking sir?

..knowledge without action is insanity and action without knowledge is vanity..(imam ghazali,ayyuhal-walad)

[Unitof1]

reality more than suffices

[BAJR Host]

This is a one and final public warning to Unit of One. ( you have had private ones )

As a curator I am shocked at your attitude. as a contractor I am shocked at your attitude and I feel for the rest of those on BAJR Forum that must deal with these odd posts which seem to advocate everything that is NOT part of professional archaeology. You may have your views.. and that is why I have let you continue even if I strongly disagree - after all.. everyones views are valid..

You are however advocating

"I see dbas as confidential assessments of what the likely costs are based on what the curators have done (or not)" I have jsut asked for one today as I need that info to make a suitable and informed decision.. You seem to be advocating not letting me know.. or keeping your cards close... so close as to ensure that I would not let you (under those circumstances) away with it ... you would cost your client plenty in my (and others) counties.


Finally and most worrying...

"...I mostly tell my clients not to mention archaeology and see if the curators impose conditions"

You are seriously out of order there... if anyone is working for the client.. ensuring that you line your pocket over protecting or recording archaeology... I appreciate how difficult some have found to keep within the AUP ... well here is the bottom line.

Explain yourself to me.. or consider yourself removed. I have already removed your listing from BAJR contractors... on the basis that your ethos is not one that BAJR can support in any form...when actually proclaimed publicly... I have a mind to ensure that all curators in your area are aware of your comments/practice - after all I would be failing as a member of ALGAO and the IFA if I did not ensure that archaeology is curated by all... and your statement that you would conceal archaeology from a curator on behalf of a developer makes me not only angry but very very sad.





"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[Unitof1]

-myhost You have asked for a dba today-

This is what ppg16 says about dbas

“20. These consultations will help to provide prospective developers with advance warning of the archaeological sensitivity of a site. As a result they may wish to commissi

[BAJR Host]

"...I mostly tell my clients not to mention archaeology and see if the curators impose conditions"

You also seem to misunderstand the use of predetermination (which is why I am asking for a DBA as a phase one) ... curatorial function and purpose.

Frankly I would have grave concerns at your attitude to archaeology.

A DBA is part of a Programme of Works.. ensuring that all known sources are consulted prior to you sticking your little trowel in the ground... and ensuring that you put your trowel in the right place... if you now in advance where existing archaeology is... or where that oil tank is that would remove archaeology.. would be advantageous... to both the developer and the curator... if you don't feel that it helps you ... or you feel it is funny to see if we know everything... then fine... you are promoting poor practice, subterfuge, and are nothing more than a puppet.

You... (the contractor).... does a dba, which will ensure you will put your trenches.. if required in the right place.... because I (the curator) can't know everything... and need help to ensure the best job is done and the correct conditions are added by the planner.... perhaps you were unaware that we (the DC archaeologists) don't put conditions on... we advise the planners... and that is based on available info.... withold it... and bingo... you have personally screwed it up.....

"by the way a lot of this "advice" is a lost leader- I only make the money when you put th conditions on."

So you advise them to hide archaeology... and only get money if the curator can find the info that you have... but withold deliderately.... sick!

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[Unitof1]

I am aware of the curators advisory roll in most cases. I normally suggest the trench lay out when the curator has asked for an evaluation but not in the dba. Do the dbas that you ask for require the trench location in them?

[Gog]

DBAs help make planners make an informed decision - nothing wrong with that.

They also give developers a heads-up on what they might be facing on any given site. In my experience, a lot of developers (the bigger ones anyway!)are not particularly bothered about the cost of archaeology, they only want to avoid nasty surprises in their programming.

Not every DBA achieves this - it depends on the data available and the ability of the person doing it - I've seen a lot of utter crap in my time, but that does not mean the concept is worthless.

Strange ideas floating around tonight[:0]

[Unitof1]

Gog- where doe peepeeG say that planners need dbas to make informed decisions?

[BAJR Host]

where does it say you should with-hold info ?

and perhaps you are unaware that ppg 16 is not in Scotland.. (perhaps you are)

perhaps you see DBAs as standalone... how strange.

however.. I am still concerned by your attitude..

either you with-hold info or not... which is it?







"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[Unitof1]

It says I should give info to the client

I get called to a site. I have first impressions-I have a conversation with a client –potential client.. I have not even seen the HER for that particular site or 500 yards around, 1Km , 5Km .....what do you say –you stupid - what do I know.

I have no info about the site. I have info about the system.... how it plays, what happened yesterday...if you do this in my experience...
what info have I withheld?