Time Team and Ainsbrook Hoard

[Steven]

quote:Originally posted by Unitof1

I must say that I did not see the twit team program. But why let that stop me.

What the metal detectorists should argue is that they should be paid the excavation cost (or some proportion of it) because without their finds and notification of it the “archaeologists” would not have got the chance to have a hog feast (a large proportion of the costs would have been their fees). I wonder how much it cost and who made what out of it ---that includes twit team, press, valuation team and all the nationalists. Isn’t that part of the true value…..The metal detectorists must feel like right mugs. They pick up something and then the whole world gets in on the act. In effect the excavation/evaluation costs are what the value of finds location is worth. If its not the archaeologists would not have spent it. PAS/archaeologists have been trying to get that location for free or for values related to the gold standard, which I think Churchill ditched after the war.

This is the type of compensation that I think landowners should be paid on pipelines etc

:face-approve:Well done you win this months "Incoherent Rant Award":face-approve:

Steven

[Paul Belford]

I thought that had already been awarded to Arthus for the nonsense about Australian archaeology...

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Edited for grammatical reasons.

[DAZ 1900]

quote:Originally posted by gumbo

Ah ha! Very interesting Mr.Brun.

A slightly different aspect of the debate. I dont really know anything about valuations of such things but does the Treasure Valuation Committee do research on e-bay or that sort of thing? Was the implication that the discrepancy between the detectorists at Ainsbrook's valuation and the valuation committee's valuation was due to the fact that the Ainsbrook detectorists had a 'very willing' buyer in mind? Does anyone know about such things?

Hi Gumbo,

Treasure is defined by Weight and Metal and number

For Artefacts

Any object that is made up of at least 10 per cent by weight of precious metal(Gold or Silver) and is over 300 years old when found is deemed to be Treasure.Items that are plated in Gold or Silver are not normally classed unless found in ascociation with items classed as Treasure.

For Coins

Two or more with a metal content of at least 10 per cent precious metal by weight and must be 300 years old at the time of discovery.For Coins with a metal content below 10 per cent they have to number 10 or more


The TVC would not use Ebay (to the best of my knowledge!)as a source Primary or otherwise for Valuations of Treasure items,but would rather look for parallels within the Auction market(for items of rarity) and standard Book/Guide Price for more common items.The Advisor's to the TVC are Representatives from several of the leading Auction houses backed up by specialists in Numismatics and Artefacts from the Trade and advice is sought from them when and where needed,the NCMD also has a Representative (i believe Trevor Austin still sits on the Comittee although am not sure)
There are many other factors involved which the TVC take into account before deciding any reward, factors such as condition and rarity figure mainly, but also the nature of how a find is discovered and reported may also be used and also if an item has been cleaned/conserved in an inappropriate manner could also lead to an abatement in any reward that is made.

Many Detectorists have had problems with valuations in recent times for varying reasons and this has lead to some mistrust in the System and the TVC in general, i myself have been through the process twice now and have been fortunate not to have had the problems that some of my fellow Detectorists have had.

Hope this Helps!!

Best Wishes

Darren

[historic building]

try and get that into one line of a wsi whilst everyone is sober.

[BAJR Host]

Ah... sometimes the Scottish ways are the best....Everything is treasure though on the flip side... the Tresh Trove in Edinburgh does not have the funding it needs.. something I hope the Scottish Parliament looks at... though I doubt it...

and one again it is time... and values that are the problem

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu

[m300572]

"sometimes the Scottish ways are the best.."

Whit dae ye mean "sometimes" ye havering gowk??

[Outheloop]

hi there
first time post, i didn't see the TT programme i'm afraid, but i have worked on sites with a couple of metal detectorists in the northants region who were excellent. They were local to the site we were on and they really intergrated with what we were doing and contributed massively to the success of the project. The company i was working for has subsequently used these two guys for other projects - paying their travel costs - and they were happy to do so on their days off from their other jobs. This experience made me change my opinion of metal detectorists from a broad ' they are all looters ' to one of more tolerance and of amazement at what they can achieve using their skills. They certainly knew more than any of us on site about roman coinage and we were able to transfer skills between the two genres. I have since had experience with others who have been more of an untrusted annoyance on site - usually where you effectively have no choice but to allow them on site otherwise they will come back when you're not there. These are the cases where it is necessary to try and work with them in the hope that if they feel 'part of the team' then they may be more likely to tell you when they have found something. I didn't really appreciate feeling 'held to ransom' in these cases but what else can you do? especially when the site is on easily accessibly land. Good metal detectorists can also spot a bad one a mile off!! the useful tips are worth their weight in gold - so to speak!

[Outheloop]

sorry - wasn't first time post - was nearly two years ago so i'm hopefully forgiven..........

[BAJR Host]

And a post worth the wait


YOu show how easy it is to show respect, receive respect and achieve more than a thousand scowls!

Thanks for that. a good honest post.

"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu