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10th August 2011, 01:59 PM
RedEarth Wrote:No, the point I have tried to make repeatedly on this thread is that the options were only given to the (now former) members of the AAIS, not to the members of the IfA who had no vote and apparently no say in it. Sends a good message doesn't it, join the IfA and get no say! That is a real feeling of impotence.
this is a valid point and it is bothering me more than dino ever could. can we have something aposite from unit?
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10th August 2011, 07:12 PM
P Prentice Wrote:lol but you write on your wsi' that you will undertake the work according to their much-vaunted standards - so what does that make you?
A non-RAO that actually fulfills all the IFA standards? :face-kiss:
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10th August 2011, 07:56 PM
I can't see why the IfA would need to consult its members on this; this is a smaller organisation dissolving itself into a bigger one. It is not a merger. These people are going to pay the IfA money, and agree to follow its rules. Of course this is in the interest of its members, which is probably why it was not consulted on.
"Would you like us to let lots more people join, beef up one of the special interest groups and collect more subs from them? Yes? OK we'll just get on with it then."
If it meant changing any IfA thingies which have already been agreed, I'm sure they would have dealt with it in an AGM.
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10th August 2011, 08:45 PM
I take it you know under what conditions we were allowed to merge? 
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11th August 2011, 07:01 AM
There may be a case for discussing the merits of the merger between IfA and AAIS, but it is wrong to suggest that the IfA is in any way acting beyond its remit in allowing the merger to go ahead. The Articles of Memorandum of the IfA allow it (through approval by the elected IfA council):
(k) to establish, subsidise, promote, cooperate with, receive into union, become a member of, act as or appoint trustees to, act as or appoint agents or delegates for, control, manage, superintend, lend or give monetary assistance to, or otherwise assist any association and institution, incorporated or not incorporated, with charitable objects altogether or in part similar to those of the Institute, which shall prohibit the distribution of their income and property amongst their members to an extent at least as great as is imposed on the Institute by virtue of Clause 4 hereof
This is information made freely available on the IfA website. It all seems above board to me...
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12th August 2011, 01:06 PM
kevin wooldridge Wrote:There may be a case for discussing the merits of the merger between IfA and AAIS, but it is wrong to suggest that the IfA is in any way acting beyond its remit in allowing the merger to go ahead. The Articles of Memorandum of the IfA allow it (through approval by the elected IfA council):
(k) to establish, subsidise, promote, cooperate with, receive into union, become a member of, act as or appoint trustees to, act as or appoint agents or delegates for, control, manage, superintend, lend or give monetary assistance to, or otherwise assist any association and institution, incorporated or not incorporated, with charitable objects altogether or in part similar to those of the Institute, which shall prohibit the distribution of their income and property amongst their members to an extent at least as great as is imposed on the Institute by virtue of Clause 4 hereof
This is information made freely available on the IfA website. It all seems above board to me...
Above board maybe, although I am not sure which part of that very long statement would include 'allow merger of smaller organisation into IfA'. It might have at least been polite to ask members of the IfA. I have been a member for a while, I'm not sure if something like this, or on this scale has come up before.
The issue is, as BAJR was perhaps hinting, the terms of the merger. Certain level of AAIS being made MIfA, certain level being made AIfA etc, but the manner in which the 'equivalent' grades in the AAIS were judged is completely different. So now you have people who are MIfAs on the basis of being able to draw well, which is fair enough, but are they going to change the entry requirements for everyone else? The AAIS members seem to have shot themselves in the foot, and the IfA has hobbled itself by carrying them. So some consultation would have been nice since I now have no idea what the membership levels mean or what the point of membership is.
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12th August 2011, 01:15 PM
'These people are going to pay the IfA money' - but not very much money as apparently the move to full payment of the much larger IfA fees is being phased in. Some new MiFAs are therefore paying the old AAIS rate (?10 pa ?)
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12th August 2011, 01:40 PM
RedEarth Wrote:Certain level of AAIS being made MIfA, certain level being made AIfA etc, but the manner in which the 'equivalent' grades in the AAIS were judged is completely different. So now you have people who are MIfAs on the basis of being able to draw well, which is fair enough, but are they going to change the entry requirements for everyone else? The AAIS members seem to have shot themselves in the foot, and the IfA has hobbled itself by carrying them. So some consultation would have been nice since I now have no idea what the membership levels mean or what the point of membership is.
One hopes and presumes that the grades for former AAIS members were judged in the same way as everyone else, in that it doesn't matter if you can draw well - in the same way that being brilliant at half sectioning a post hole or pushing a wheelbarrow doesn't earn MIFAship: it's based on the level of responsibilty held by the applicant.
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12th August 2011, 01:47 PM
the invisible man Wrote:One hopes and presumes that the grades for former AAIS members were judged in the same way as everyone else, in that it doesn't matter if you can draw well - in the same way that being brilliant at half sectioning a post hole or pushing a wheelbarrow doesn't earn MIFAship: it's based on the level of responsibilty held by the applicant.
That's exactly the point, they aren't comparable. As far as I know, AAIS grades were not based on responsibility, IfA grades are. Correct me if I am wrong someone who knows better. There are certainly now going to be new MIfAs who have never had responsibility beyond supervisor level. Now, that doesn't really matter if it is all based on measureable ability, but the IfA grades never seem to have worked like that.
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12th August 2011, 01:52 PM
Ah, I see. That's a different kettle of fish. Mind you, I know some MIFAs .... no, that's a different subject.......
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