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Self Employed Diggers Again
#31
Found this in T&G news
http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/Interna...deID=91798

Sound familiar?

However, we do recognise that action needs to be taken because of the chaos of sub-contracting in construction. Conference this union has a long history of supporting free collective bargaining and we re-iterate that today. But we do need to have a strategy that deals with the current labour market as it affects our members in construction industry. We have to tackle the chaos of bogus self-employment on construction sites up and down the country.

The T&G represents members working in the construction industry in both the private and the public sector and we have members at every point of the building supply chain. If ever anyone questions the capacity of the public sector to excel then look at the history of construction in the public and private sectors.

If ever there was a tale of two sectors then this is it. It was the public sector and its Direct Labour Organisations that have been under attack since the 1980s that spearheaded training for women in construction, that pressed for more black and ethnic minority workers on construction sites and fought to ensure that young people from local communities got the training for the industry that they needed.

But, we have faced an avalanche of problems as a result of the employment structure that was allowed to develop in the private sector. Poor employment practices came about because of the explosion of bogus self-employment. Why do employers prefer self-employed workers? They prefer them to avoid paying National Insurance contributions or take responsibility for the workforce. That's why bogus self-employment has mushroomed in this country.

Our trade group has battled, and I mean battled, to improve standards in the industry, but the effect on the industry through the growth of bogus self-employment is plain to see. In addition to the poor health & safety record, there are massive skill shortages in the industry.

Self-employed workers are not going to be able to invest in training and it is the lack of training in recent years that underlies the problem of skills shortages. The level of self-employment seriously damaged the industry's ability to train. In many areas skills training has been virtually wiped out.

Let's give you an example. Mastic Asphalt Roofing training for apprentices is now available at only one college in the UK. Yes one college in the UK. That's no way to run an industry and ensure that the skills of one generation to the next.

But the chickens have come home to roost, for the UK now has significant problems of rebuilding its construction workforce. At the present time, the industry needs to train and retain 80,000 people each year. That's why we have been able to touch even more significant rises in pay over recent years.

The real tragedy is that young people are coming forward for training but the real problem is that there are not enough employers that are prepared to provide them with the training. Most of the UK's major contractors do not train any apprentices and that's why there is a major skills crisis in the industry.

No one could have been more excited to hear last week that London had won the Olympic bid. But the reality is that at the present time in the capital around 80% of the workforce working on construction sites are self-employed. This has had only one effect - to weaken the working rule agreements that set minimum terms and conditions for building workers. These are voluntary collective bargaining agreements.

But in order to tackle the self-employed anarchy on the sites across the country we must have legally enforceable standards that apply to every single worker in the industry on every single contract. It's the only way to undermine bogus self-employment and ensure proper quality standards across the industry and provide a real level playing field. At the present time it is the better employers that are dragged down by the cowboys. This has got to stop.


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#32
So what action if any can be taken to put a stop to these practices? Is this company still on the BAJR list?

Is there anything the industry can do - as 2pints demonstrates its not as simple as saying dont work there, the jobs are drying up and this is when even greater exploitation of the workforce is likely.[hm]
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#33
The company have been informed they will be removed and of course the reason why. They have passed this over to their Tax advisor and Accountant. and have stressed they are looking into it now.. and will return with an answer.

I am hoping it will be resolved - and we can see the true standing.

I applied this test:

If the worker is unwilling to carry out the work personally, do they have any right to send someone else to do it? NO
Can the worker be told what to do - even when they are expected to know? YES
Can the worker be moved from task to task? YES
Can the worker decide how the work is done? NO
Is the worker a skilled person or expert in their field? YES
Is the worker required to provide the major items of equipment needed to do the work apart from minor items of equipment or those tools of the trade that workers customarily provide? NO
Does the worker pay the cost of all materials or supplies required for the work without being reimbursed? (Not including minor items and consumables) Not applicable
Which of the following best describes how the worker's main income is made up? (Regular payment based on an hourly, daily, weekly or monthly rate) YES
What is the statement that best describes where the worker does the work? (The work has to be done at a certain place and cannot be done elsewhere) YES
Which statement best describes when the work is done? (The worker works regular days, hours or shifts or flexible working hours as agreed with the engager) YES
Does the worker advertise for work? NO
Does the engager require the worker to have Public Liability Insurance, or Professional Indemnity Insurance at the worker's expense? NO

Based on the information you have provided, the worker is an EMPLOYEE.
The result is based on the following grounds:

There is a low indication of substitution.
There is a high indication of control over the worker.
There is a low indication of financial risk.
There is a low indication of business structure.

2pints is obviously aware

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#34
Beamo

Where/how did you find your small team of self-employed archaeologists to go off to North Africa. Was it openly advertised?

I think that a lot of problems associated with self-employment are unfortunately propagated from the special opps (including workind away) type of work that they are apparently used for and the suspensions when people are offered special/more dosh/work if they go self-employed in an opaque market.



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#35
Uo1

No - the work was not advertised. We are using people that we have worked with before and that know the archaeology of the area and/or the nature of the work.


Beamo
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#36
:face-topic: intersting as this is. I have the same in Jordan.. and other places where a formalised archaeological system does not exist to allow self employed archaeologists to survive.

thanks Beamo your comments were taken in the way they were meant by most of us Wink

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#37
I once did some work for a certain City Council unit in the early 90s. The pay was monthly, and on receiving my first payslip I noticed something was funny - no deductions!

So I rang the wages department and asked why no deductions? They replied because I was taken on like a self-employed window cleaner etc. I explained it was a job with regular hours etc, but to no avail.

So then I rang my tax office, explained I had a funny payslip, they asked a few details about my job, then said, no, you should be having PAYE deductions.

So I rang wages back and told them what tax office had said. Oh, very sorry, we'll sort it out immediately. New payslip arrives within a few days - take home same, but funnily enough initial wages were higher to allow for the tax and NI they now had to deduct - Oh the beauty of being naive!
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#38
Well done.
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#39
If you do mess with your tax.. or think you are going to "get away with it" - just remember this:

I know people who can't get mortgages now .. who worry about anything where they might 'appear' again on the Tax Horizon. another who gets 'caught' in a company audit... of dear.... very sorry - you owe us 15k in back taxes.

It is not worth it... you may get your extra fiver a day... but that extra fiver is not worth the potential and very real loss.

I will be checking back with said company - and as a new system will be appearing soon, complience with everyone else will eb required. It is funny that some companies feel they can hire as self employed, then a digger goes to another company - does the same job and is magically PAYE... shurely shome mishtake.



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#40
well gettin a bit worried at lack of comment from said unit.. have asked again.

My worry is of course that

a) the 'sub-contractor' has no accident insurance... the PL and PI insurance will cover most things but not your own accidents - and this although asked for in the agreement is not checked...

b) by agreeing to the 'fee' you actually end up with les than the BAJR minimum (therefore - they won't be advertising again on BAJR until at least that is sorted out)



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