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22nd February 2012, 12:12 PM
P Prentice Wrote:i think you will find that some units spend a lot of time cold calling - chasing jobs through the local authority planning lists has become more than a dark art
But surely by the time projects have got to the local list, there is in most cases a consultant already appointed....rather than chase the list maybe time and talents would be better spent chasing the consultants!!
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22nd February 2012, 12:18 PM
kevin wooldridge Wrote:But surely by the time projects have got to the local list, there is in most cases a consultant already appointed....rather than chase the list maybe time and talents would be better spent chasing the consultants!!
not so - many jobs get done without the 'benefit' of the empire - but as to the other - another dark art
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22nd February 2012, 03:57 PM
dont think chasing a job should be seen as dark art. It should be seen as how to get the job. To my mind the interns should be writing to the local lists themselves looking for work. I think kev is eluding to those jobs/clients that you cant get at through the local lists. Thats why there should be no curators with their lists or any chance that they might have a prefered archaeologist. Get rid of curators - get more compertition amoungst archaeologists.
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22nd February 2012, 04:04 PM
Why on earth would someone hire you unless they had to? No, wait, you will no doubt have some argument that might work in a paralell dimension.
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22nd February 2012, 04:25 PM
Oxbeast Wrote:Why on earth would someone hire you unless they had to? No, wait, you will no doubt have some argument that might work in a paralell dimension.
you're interfering with an Englishman's god-given right to rip off his fellows and undertake makeyupology; curators and other fellow-travellers undermine the world-class system of bodging and running valuable services into the ground in the name of the free market and intellectual copyright. bring on the pyramids of the Fens...
Lists put together by county archaeological services are
only for guidance, particularly when you are aged, height- and gender-challenged and in need of ripping off by members of an unscrupulous profession.
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22nd February 2012, 06:55 PM
oxbeast are you saying that you stand around waiting for someone to pick you or your company?
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23rd February 2012, 08:56 AM
Actually what I was trying to express was nothing to do with lists of approved contractors, but the lists issued by planning offices of applications received, applications pending and applications approved. It strikes me that an archaeologist or archaeological undertaking who is relying on this source to secure work is several steps off the pace of the rest of the herd. As has been accepted practice over the past 20 years through PPG16 and more so now with PPS5 and perhaps even more so with NPPF, by the time a development gets onto these lists, the archaeological component of any development should at least have been addressed, if not fully effected, and contractors, consultants etc in place. Where is the cost effectiveness of trying to secure work at this point in the process......?
....as my friend Trowelfodder has often reminded me, once you fall off the back of the herd you become easy prey for all kinds of predators. I was suggesting that making effective contact with those higher up in the food chain i.e consultants, at an earlier stage in the 'feeding frenzy' process could be a much more rewarding long term strategy.
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23rd February 2012, 10:02 AM
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Quote:[INDENT]oxbeast are you saying that you stand around waiting for someone to pick you or your company? [/INDENT]
Definately not.
Quote:Get rid of curators - get more compertition amoungst archaeologists.
I am saying: No curators --> no planning permission requirement for archaeology --> no work for you
But I really shouldn't feed the trolls.
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23rd February 2012, 01:09 PM
kevin wooldridge Wrote:Actually what I was trying to express was nothing to do with lists of approved contractors, but the lists issued by planning offices of applications received, applications pending and applications approved. It strikes me that an archaeologist or archaeological undertaking who is relying on this source to secure work is several steps off the pace of the rest of the herd. As has been accepted practice over the past 20 years through PPG16 and more so now with PPS5 and perhaps even more so with NPPF, by the time a development gets onto these lists, the archaeological component of any development should at least have been addressed, if not fully effected, and contractors, consultants etc in place. Where is the cost effectiveness of trying to secure work at this point in the process......?
....as my friend Trowelfodder has often reminded me, once you fall off the back of the herd you become easy prey for all kinds of predators. I was suggesting that making effective contact with those higher up in the food chain i.e consultants, at an earlier stage in the 'feeding frenzy' process could be a much more rewarding long term strategy.
i get rung up on a regular basis by folk wanting me to sort out a planning condition that they were not expecting. often small builders, but often large engineering firms who never had a consultant and dont want one because they know they will end up paying twice for the same work
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It's not an Intership, it's a placement...
http://www.dighungate.com/content.asp?ID=152
Quote:There is often confusion as to what a 'placement' is and people will sometimes use the term 'placement' when they mean 'trainee'. Within the Archaeology Live! project a 'placement' is somebody who has already been trained in archaeological excavation and has appropriate archaeological experience.
Just not enough to be paid.
