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25th March 2012, 11:18 AM
Security on the net is just a matter of education and using appropriate safeguards, it's not a valid excuse for not using the net!
There will always be viruses and scams, but you don't have to be particularly techy to avoid them (although in some cases you may need someone techy to set things up to begin with).
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25th March 2012, 01:47 PM
I use the net frequently but more as part of my work rather than as a personal choice. I use the net more and more as a means of accessing music, films television and entertainment. I do not use it as a means of developing personal relationships (BAJR aside). This is my choice not an excuse. There is an undertone of use it or be excluded in some of the arguments here.
I have absolutely nothing against the net nore am I a Luddite, but do be aware that it is not available to all (for a variety of reasons) despite what you might think. I do not love technology for its own sake but rather for what it can do for me. :face-kiss:
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25th March 2012, 02:08 PM
Wax Wrote:I do not use it as a means of developing personal relationships (BAJR aside). This is my choice not an excuse. There is an undertone of use it or be excluded in some of the arguments here.
There's nothing wrong with that (particularly with social networking where the benefit gained rarely makes up for the time spent), I'm much the same with particular exceptions. However, I'd say that "use it or be excluded" is just a matter of fact -- you've just made the choice to be excluded.
Quote:I have absolutely nothing against the net nore am I a Luddite, but do be aware that it is not available to all (for a variety of reasons) despite what you might think.
Neither are books, libraries or other non-digital resources. However, the net is almost certainly the cheapest source of information (both directly, and indirectly through ordering online etc) when it comes to the punch. Within the UK, the number of archaeologists who absolutely cannot get regular access the internet must be almost zero.
Quote: I do not love technology for its own sake but rather for what it can do for me. :face-kiss:
Why do you think I'm trying to get out of web dev and into archaeology? :p
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25th March 2012, 02:25 PM
However, I'd say that "use it or be excluded" is just a matter of fact --
Therin lies the problem. Why should some people be excluded when they have no choice and many have no choice. Make Internet access free for all and then may be there is an argument. A computer or other device costs money as does the services provided. Personally I would say make it free and give every body a device and the required education and then it is truely a matter of choice. Until then we are in danger of excluding large numbers of people. Books libraries etc are more freely available though perhaps less accessed through personal choice. The Internet is easy so is perceived as being universally available.
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25th March 2012, 02:36 PM
Wax Wrote:Why should some people be excluded when they have no choice and many have no choice. Make Internet access free for all and then may be there is an argument. A computer or other device costs money as does the services provided.
Name one archaeologist who does not have the choice of getting internet access or not -- whether due to finances or for any other reasons -- and then I'll admit that you have a point. Note that you can get an internet-ready netbook for around ?100 and 12 months of solid internet access for the same or less.
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25th March 2012, 03:13 PM
I know several archaeologists who do not have Internet access at home, though they may be connected at work. It might be rather impolite to ask them why they are not connected. There may well be many unemployed archaeologists out there who are also not connected ?100 pounds is a lot of money when you are on the dole. Have you looked at the employment prospects and wages of archeaologist lately?
Also i was not thinking exclusively of archaeologists.
Anyway it's too nice a day to be sitting inside communicating in cyber space I am off to enjoy the sun.
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25th March 2012, 03:34 PM
Wax Wrote:...Internet access at home... unemployed archaeologists ... Also i was not thinking exclusively of archaeologists.
Well naturally I assume the context of the discussion on this forum is archaeology. In this particular case the internet as a resource for working archaeologists.
Quote:Anyway it's too nice a day to be sitting inside communicating in cyber space I am off to enjoy the sun.
I can't argue with that!
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25th March 2012, 05:30 PM
I also know archaeologists who to my knowledge have never even been on-line and have never owned a device capable of doing so. One of my (non-archaeologist) mates doesn't know how to txt and that doesn't seem to have harmed his social network in the slightest. Generally speaking, if I want to talk to someone I talk to them, either face to face or by phone, for one thing it's a lot quicker?
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25th March 2012, 08:22 PM
Quote:Well naturally I assume the context of the discussion on this forum is archaeology.
What? I thought this was a DIY forum.
This explains a lot . . .
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26th March 2012, 11:44 AM
(This post was last modified: 26th March 2012, 11:56 AM by Julie.)
Quote:The thing that sprang to mind when I read the blog was the person who was standing for IfA council who popped up on BAJR briefly, and then went away saying that it was unfair for her to campaign on the web as not everyone has access to the web.
Haha, I never went away. I'm always watching
And you missed the point that i was making in that situation (or i never made it well). In that situation i didn't care so much about the audience access as much as the candidates. I didnt want to campaign in an arena where i was only one, I felt it was tantamount to shoving my agenda down people's throat with no option to hear others arguments or opinions. Probably had more to do with me being a wee bit too self effacing than a lack of technichal (i.e. web) adoption. If a written leaflet or flyer was also an option, seemingly open to or adopted only by me, i would have felt just as reticent.
I have absolutely no qualms about using the internet (regardless of the lack of tech-y knowledge in the heritage sector, which at times is shockingly bad). I would be surprised to hear anyone using the argument "that not everyone has the web" to opt out of using it as a marketing and communication tool :0
