22nd October 2006, 05:25 PM
This was the process of much talking with Headland, and it is all down to the 'job title' versus expectations for job description. I have been assured (which is why I put it up) that IF a person is doing a job which entails duties that involved G4 responsibilities they will be paid at that rate, it however opens up the opportunity for people who are not quite ready to be supervisors (or G4 - which is a better description) to prepare for that level of responsibility.
Now.. this leads to the next 'major' move by BAJR in the new year... the overlapping reposibility levels/pay levels. Along with a need to see progression and subsequesnt pay progression too. Where a person hired in 2004 on the lowest level of a Grade is not 'just' moving with the yearly rise, but is progressing UP a payscale. very difficult system for me to deal with alone... so I need IFA and PROSPECT along with SCAUM along with me on this. --- which is actually happening thanks to the Diggers Forum. The idea I will be implementing in April 2007 (with prior warnings going out in january) will be one where the top level for a G3 overlaps a G4 bottom payscale and so on .... This means a really really good Digger (for want of a better word) can end up on a salary above that of a shiney new Supervisor who may not have as much exper. as a digger with 10 years of digging.... Complicated? stay with me! Overlapping payscales allow for people who do not want to move up to the next level of responsibility to be 'rewarded for the knowledge and ability they have accrued... it also acknowledges that at the start of a new level of responsibility you may not be as capable of completely free action and so are in a training/assistant type level. As soon as you are expected to be carrying out G4 activities without any help or training then you should be paid that ammount, and could also go on UP in pay as you become 'better' at your job (at that level)
Example 1:
I am a digger with 8 years exper. and several skills that also mean I can do much that a supervisor does but don't want the extra responsibility of looking after small sites, small teams etc.... as such however in recognition of my abilities and the benefit they are to the company I should expect to be getting paid at the top end of G3 if not more.. So G3 becomes divided into G3.1 G3.2 and G3.3 (a G3.3 grade at present would start around say 15,400 up to 16,400)
A supervisor who has just started, and needs help and training to fulfill all the criteria to be a full G4 person would be starting on G4.1 which would be roughly the same as a G3.3 The difference being in that as that person becomes able to carry out all the functions that a G4 needs to be, they will move up to G4.2 ie over 16137.
As an extra note... If the G3.3 digger decides to go for it, and has all the skillsets required to be a supervisor (or should I say G4) then they could quite realistically go straight to G4.2 as to take a pay cut while going up would be illogical.
I did not say it was easy... but it is something that is happening.. Believe me, it is something that I have been working on (and with other people and organisations) for quite a bit of time. The end result will be a wage system... one that rewards ability, one that recognises progression and training, and one that will hopefully (touch wood) mean we at last have a system that is workable and used by several large professional and govt. groups. So has precedent and respectability.
I will try to make more sense of this if I can...later!
needless to say. concerning the advert... If you apply as a person who is more than capable of being a supervisor... you will get paid a g4 rate.... if you are nearly there, you will get training, support and help, but the lesser rate. (which seems fair given the plus of being trained)
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
Now.. this leads to the next 'major' move by BAJR in the new year... the overlapping reposibility levels/pay levels. Along with a need to see progression and subsequesnt pay progression too. Where a person hired in 2004 on the lowest level of a Grade is not 'just' moving with the yearly rise, but is progressing UP a payscale. very difficult system for me to deal with alone... so I need IFA and PROSPECT along with SCAUM along with me on this. --- which is actually happening thanks to the Diggers Forum. The idea I will be implementing in April 2007 (with prior warnings going out in january) will be one where the top level for a G3 overlaps a G4 bottom payscale and so on .... This means a really really good Digger (for want of a better word) can end up on a salary above that of a shiney new Supervisor who may not have as much exper. as a digger with 10 years of digging.... Complicated? stay with me! Overlapping payscales allow for people who do not want to move up to the next level of responsibility to be 'rewarded for the knowledge and ability they have accrued... it also acknowledges that at the start of a new level of responsibility you may not be as capable of completely free action and so are in a training/assistant type level. As soon as you are expected to be carrying out G4 activities without any help or training then you should be paid that ammount, and could also go on UP in pay as you become 'better' at your job (at that level)
Example 1:
I am a digger with 8 years exper. and several skills that also mean I can do much that a supervisor does but don't want the extra responsibility of looking after small sites, small teams etc.... as such however in recognition of my abilities and the benefit they are to the company I should expect to be getting paid at the top end of G3 if not more.. So G3 becomes divided into G3.1 G3.2 and G3.3 (a G3.3 grade at present would start around say 15,400 up to 16,400)
A supervisor who has just started, and needs help and training to fulfill all the criteria to be a full G4 person would be starting on G4.1 which would be roughly the same as a G3.3 The difference being in that as that person becomes able to carry out all the functions that a G4 needs to be, they will move up to G4.2 ie over 16137.
As an extra note... If the G3.3 digger decides to go for it, and has all the skillsets required to be a supervisor (or should I say G4) then they could quite realistically go straight to G4.2 as to take a pay cut while going up would be illogical.
I did not say it was easy... but it is something that is happening.. Believe me, it is something that I have been working on (and with other people and organisations) for quite a bit of time. The end result will be a wage system... one that rewards ability, one that recognises progression and training, and one that will hopefully (touch wood) mean we at last have a system that is workable and used by several large professional and govt. groups. So has precedent and respectability.
I will try to make more sense of this if I can...later!
needless to say. concerning the advert... If you apply as a person who is more than capable of being a supervisor... you will get paid a g4 rate.... if you are nearly there, you will get training, support and help, but the lesser rate. (which seems fair given the plus of being trained)
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu