9th July 2010, 10:51 PM
Mr Troll - agree with all of that, but maybe not so angry with the timing, just confused... It is great that after years of membership of the IFA where little seemed to happen, it's all happening just before a recession. I'm still intrigued how this kind of reccommendation won't just get laughed at. (although I can't see a timescale - maybe these wages will be reached in 20 years!)
Mr Hosty! (and everyone reading) "IfA is only as strong as the membership"
I think its a question of - why be a member? Its an important question for unionisation as well.
If no-one's ever read it - How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. Excellent book.
One of the rules for influencing people: GIVE PEOPLE AN EAGER WANT
Carnegie argues: Why should people fall in with your argument? Whats in it for them? You need to make people fall over themselves to join you on your sign of the argument. Its essentially salemanship, and I think if any group is going to suceed, it needs to follow this rule.
The IFA? I was a member for years. Paid about 30quid a year as a new digger, got it on my CV, got a jobs serive thing, and great. Not a problem. Several years later - 120 quid a year. Now, what did I get as a member for that extra money (and this is me being very, very cynical)
-4 glossy magazines a year
-the chance to vote for people I've never heard of
-money off some Cambridge books
-An invitation to a conference I can't attend
-A jobs information service that posts jobs I can find for free (cheers by the way!) on BAJR
-and now, a commitment to 50hours over 2 years CPD, but as far as I can see, no commitment on the part of RAO's to provide any training.
(And yes I could get elected to a postition, but I really, really hate comittees and am not a political animal. I much prefer benevolent dictatorship).
This was a fairly common view on the circuit a few years ago, at least the people I knew. Its not meant to be a bash, more an illustration of the above rule.
Where's the reasons for me falling over myself to join? Really? What do I gets for my money? How does paying out this money significantly benefit me? How does not paying out this money significantly harm me?
Would I be better off spending over a hundred quid on membership to the National Trust and English Heritage? To a union? To charity? In the pub?
If unionisation is going to get off the ground, the IFA is to increase membership, you need to give people a convincing reason to join up. And not "things will change in a few years". People tend to like instant gratification on the whole.
Again, its not a bash. I think its a serious issue, and one that needs addressing. I'm not against unionisation, or IFA membership. I'm never totally against anything, although some people are obviously entrenched. Like many people, you need to create a convincing, coherent argument thats going to make me "fall over myself" to join.
Again, not meant negatively, but as something to think about...:face-huh:
Mr Hosty! (and everyone reading) "IfA is only as strong as the membership"
I think its a question of - why be a member? Its an important question for unionisation as well.
If no-one's ever read it - How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. Excellent book.
One of the rules for influencing people: GIVE PEOPLE AN EAGER WANT
Carnegie argues: Why should people fall in with your argument? Whats in it for them? You need to make people fall over themselves to join you on your sign of the argument. Its essentially salemanship, and I think if any group is going to suceed, it needs to follow this rule.
The IFA? I was a member for years. Paid about 30quid a year as a new digger, got it on my CV, got a jobs serive thing, and great. Not a problem. Several years later - 120 quid a year. Now, what did I get as a member for that extra money (and this is me being very, very cynical)
-4 glossy magazines a year
-the chance to vote for people I've never heard of
-money off some Cambridge books
-An invitation to a conference I can't attend
-A jobs information service that posts jobs I can find for free (cheers by the way!) on BAJR
-and now, a commitment to 50hours over 2 years CPD, but as far as I can see, no commitment on the part of RAO's to provide any training.
(And yes I could get elected to a postition, but I really, really hate comittees and am not a political animal. I much prefer benevolent dictatorship).
This was a fairly common view on the circuit a few years ago, at least the people I knew. Its not meant to be a bash, more an illustration of the above rule.
Where's the reasons for me falling over myself to join? Really? What do I gets for my money? How does paying out this money significantly benefit me? How does not paying out this money significantly harm me?
Would I be better off spending over a hundred quid on membership to the National Trust and English Heritage? To a union? To charity? In the pub?
If unionisation is going to get off the ground, the IFA is to increase membership, you need to give people a convincing reason to join up. And not "things will change in a few years". People tend to like instant gratification on the whole.
Again, its not a bash. I think its a serious issue, and one that needs addressing. I'm not against unionisation, or IFA membership. I'm never totally against anything, although some people are obviously entrenched. Like many people, you need to create a convincing, coherent argument thats going to make me "fall over myself" to join.
Again, not meant negatively, but as something to think about...:face-huh: