1st August 2008, 06:08 PM
2pints it is you that is the loser in this... and... as Austin points out... you are liable .. and the Tax Office don't care if you think you are...
[quote] DO NOT accept excuses that this is how it is or everyone else wants it like this. You MUST comply with the law; as MUST the employer. The issue of being an employee is also a matter of great importance for your personal safety and financial integrity.
All employers run some form of PAYE system which they could expand to cover you; they are simply excluding you for their corporate benefit. Ultimately if your employer or prospective employer threatens to remove the offer of work you need to consider whether you value work that is paid in an illegal manner and which attempts to exclude you from insurance cover should you be injured at work (or make you personally liable should a colleague or member of the public be injured inadvertently through your actions). It?s not worth it. Insist on staying within the law; a company that cannot keep to employment [quote]
The company in question suggests you are completely covered by their insurance... you are not... you are self-employed.
You have to wonder... why do it this way... is it for your benefit? Or that they avoid insurance payments, holiday payments, National insurance payments, etc etc... ... I hear they even offer free accommodation on come sites... enough said ...?
there are jobs out there that pay the rate and higher , AND INCLUDE the benefits of employee status..
I came to a descision years ago.. I won't accept illegal contracts... its not worth the risk
2pints : You just need a good accountant. - nope... a good accountant would say .. you are being taken for a ride.
And people have done it for years.. basically without being caught... I knew a group that did it like that.. one person got caught by tax .. then the company got investigated... then everyone else got looked at.. and one poor sod... who will remain nameless, was fined over 15,000 pounds..
And remember.. 300GBP as a self employed... translates into around 120 GBP or less if you are not breaking the law... and as an accountant, you will know the tax office are not somebody to reason with.
If you know it is illegal.... and the company do...... (I have explained it to them) then I will be surprised if the tax office don't investigate quite soon...
"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers
[quote] DO NOT accept excuses that this is how it is or everyone else wants it like this. You MUST comply with the law; as MUST the employer. The issue of being an employee is also a matter of great importance for your personal safety and financial integrity.
All employers run some form of PAYE system which they could expand to cover you; they are simply excluding you for their corporate benefit. Ultimately if your employer or prospective employer threatens to remove the offer of work you need to consider whether you value work that is paid in an illegal manner and which attempts to exclude you from insurance cover should you be injured at work (or make you personally liable should a colleague or member of the public be injured inadvertently through your actions). It?s not worth it. Insist on staying within the law; a company that cannot keep to employment [quote]
The company in question suggests you are completely covered by their insurance... you are not... you are self-employed.
You have to wonder... why do it this way... is it for your benefit? Or that they avoid insurance payments, holiday payments, National insurance payments, etc etc... ... I hear they even offer free accommodation on come sites... enough said ...?
there are jobs out there that pay the rate and higher , AND INCLUDE the benefits of employee status..
I came to a descision years ago.. I won't accept illegal contracts... its not worth the risk
2pints : You just need a good accountant. - nope... a good accountant would say .. you are being taken for a ride.
And people have done it for years.. basically without being caught... I knew a group that did it like that.. one person got caught by tax .. then the company got investigated... then everyone else got looked at.. and one poor sod... who will remain nameless, was fined over 15,000 pounds..
And remember.. 300GBP as a self employed... translates into around 120 GBP or less if you are not breaking the law... and as an accountant, you will know the tax office are not somebody to reason with.
If you know it is illegal.... and the company do...... (I have explained it to them) then I will be surprised if the tax office don't investigate quite soon...
"I don't have an archaeological imagination.."
Borekickers