19th August 2013, 04:55 PM
This is also another take from Doug... - see I do read you stuff -
http://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/20...-an-intro/
Where I stand on this is simple. - though it is complex.
Issue 1. Volunteers in Archaeology - when this is used by the state to cover for what should be paid for. or is used by departments etc to cover their wn lack of manpower. in the guise of hey... lets all have fun... ( but without you, then we would be stuffed - and we are making cash out of you doing the work)
Issue 2. Volunteer in Archaeology - when people have put together a programme in conjunction with a community group (or similar ) to aid their exploration of their own past. As in...( if you the volunteer did not want this to happen, then it would not have been started)
Issue 3 the volunteer / Intern in archaeology : I will er.. cough help you to er.. learn stuff, but in reality you will do all the jobs I don't have the time for, and I must do other things, so therefore I don't have time to train you in anything. er... and 3 months down the line I will get another ...cough unpaid intern. ( that is the one that makes me go GRRRR )
Issue 4. You the volunteer will join me, and although it will mean I spend my time going over stuff, training and mentoring, that does mean I won't pay you, as it is mad to think I will pay you for me to train you. I mean... go figure. Give free training and free advice etc... that is not using to make a profit from you the intern/volunteer, that is preparing you for a career.
It is like all things in life. there is abuse and opportunity. I need to drive to work... do I demand that the driving instructor pays me to learn? should the government pay for my driving licence? same with all the other practical skills. Flip side... Do I as the employer see you the intern as cheap labour/person to carry out work that otherwise I would have to pay sombody to do? ... that is so much pants...
I am afraid students have to realise that opportunities to get experience are either paid or free. but very very rare will you get paid to learn. Though this does mean that the people offering the training and opportunities have a duty... a real duty! to teach, mentor and train. If you come away wondering what you have learned. then you have been taken for a ride.
or am I wrong? :face-huh:
http://dougsarchaeology.wordpress.com/20...-an-intro/
Where I stand on this is simple. - though it is complex.
Issue 1. Volunteers in Archaeology - when this is used by the state to cover for what should be paid for. or is used by departments etc to cover their wn lack of manpower. in the guise of hey... lets all have fun... ( but without you, then we would be stuffed - and we are making cash out of you doing the work)
Issue 2. Volunteer in Archaeology - when people have put together a programme in conjunction with a community group (or similar ) to aid their exploration of their own past. As in...( if you the volunteer did not want this to happen, then it would not have been started)
Issue 3 the volunteer / Intern in archaeology : I will er.. cough help you to er.. learn stuff, but in reality you will do all the jobs I don't have the time for, and I must do other things, so therefore I don't have time to train you in anything. er... and 3 months down the line I will get another ...cough unpaid intern. ( that is the one that makes me go GRRRR )
Issue 4. You the volunteer will join me, and although it will mean I spend my time going over stuff, training and mentoring, that does mean I won't pay you, as it is mad to think I will pay you for me to train you. I mean... go figure. Give free training and free advice etc... that is not using to make a profit from you the intern/volunteer, that is preparing you for a career.
It is like all things in life. there is abuse and opportunity. I need to drive to work... do I demand that the driving instructor pays me to learn? should the government pay for my driving licence? same with all the other practical skills. Flip side... Do I as the employer see you the intern as cheap labour/person to carry out work that otherwise I would have to pay sombody to do? ... that is so much pants...
I am afraid students have to realise that opportunities to get experience are either paid or free. but very very rare will you get paid to learn. Though this does mean that the people offering the training and opportunities have a duty... a real duty! to teach, mentor and train. If you come away wondering what you have learned. then you have been taken for a ride.
or am I wrong? :face-huh: