13th February 2014, 04:04 PM
Ouch... moi a politician... that hurts.! But seriously.
It does sound like I misunderstood... when you said that "What the world of commercial archaeology needs is a trade union to campaigne for decent pay and conditions and a branch of government to police standards. The IFA has never done either." You can see where I misunderstood. So now we have that cleared up... and apologies.
Secondly, the IFA at the moment can do what ever it wants, it is a private members club! You don't just get in by paying money, so that is a tad unfair... there are requirements - especially for MIfA ( we can argue later about whether there is any relevance to this)
Thirdly you are right... but you can't investigate without evidence.
Fourth - call it what you want. but I am happy with the definition : a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification. A profession arises when any trade or occupation transforms itself through "the development of formal qualifications based upon education, apprenticeship, and examinations, the emergence of regulatory bodies with powers to admit and discipline members, and some degree of monopoly right" It is true to say that just because it is a profession does not mean it is highly paid. nor does a trade have to be lesser or poorly paid. You are a tradesman... rather than a professional.
on the 5th... that is sad. you had a vote but chose not to use it. so abdicated responsibility to those that did vote and did apply for council. again... your choice, but you created the council as much as by not voting.
I would ask that next time you get a chance... vote... or stand. and try and influence your own and others future.
It does sound like I misunderstood... when you said that "What the world of commercial archaeology needs is a trade union to campaigne for decent pay and conditions and a branch of government to police standards. The IFA has never done either." You can see where I misunderstood. So now we have that cleared up... and apologies.
Secondly, the IFA at the moment can do what ever it wants, it is a private members club! You don't just get in by paying money, so that is a tad unfair... there are requirements - especially for MIfA ( we can argue later about whether there is any relevance to this)
Thirdly you are right... but you can't investigate without evidence.
Fourth - call it what you want. but I am happy with the definition : a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification. A profession arises when any trade or occupation transforms itself through "the development of formal qualifications based upon education, apprenticeship, and examinations, the emergence of regulatory bodies with powers to admit and discipline members, and some degree of monopoly right" It is true to say that just because it is a profession does not mean it is highly paid. nor does a trade have to be lesser or poorly paid. You are a tradesman... rather than a professional.
on the 5th... that is sad. you had a vote but chose not to use it. so abdicated responsibility to those that did vote and did apply for council. again... your choice, but you created the council as much as by not voting.
Quote:I would challenge the IFA to get us a wage in keeping with the PROFESSIONal status --I would suggest you challenge the Unions to do that and negotiate with the Commercial Unit managers. Actually could be easier to push up rates... however... remember - this is archaeology- and when one gets the soil compisition wrong... from a sandy silt rather than a silty sand. as opposed to an architect. your house falls down... a plumber... water floods your house. an accountant .. you go to jail for fraud. there is no real disaster. it only really matters to us. So being professional and being recognised as such, means we can move forward.
I would ask that next time you get a chance... vote... or stand. and try and influence your own and others future.