30th January 2009, 10:57 AM
I am not sure who exactly is dancing around here?
:face-huh:
Can you be self employed as a digger...? yes.
Can you think you are self employed? yes
Can you find yourself in trouble unless you are careful? yes
Can some companies 'employ' you are self employed at a rate that is low for a self employed person? sadly yes.
Should people be aware? yes...
The guide is not meant to be comprehensive (and so has links to where you can get full details - as you say a whole range of factors have to be taken into consideration.
When you are on a hypothetical site.. the accommodation that is "provided" for you (will of course have to go through your books.. ) You are insured? Of course you must be... after all, you are hardly expecting every contact you get to be covered by the client? You have all the equipment you need to carry out a piece of work.. should you be called on? Do you have any say in how the site is dug? how it is written up? what samples are taken, where the drawing film comes from? do you provide anything? OR... do you just turn up in your car (which of course is insured for business use and all travel is indicated on you tax returns) with a trowel your own helmet? Hi-viz steelies.. etc...
It is quite possible to be self employed.. I am almost in despair trying to make that clear to you... However... 2 BIG factors come to the front...
A) Are you really self employed on every job you do?
B) Are you being underpaid?
Accommodation:
Lets look at an example given by the Inland Revenue
Borderline is the key word .. sometimes you may be... sometimes you may not... just thinking you are does not mean you are..
The whole thrust of this thread... 60 quid is too little for a self employed person to accept.. it is BELOW the minima set by BAJR and IfA.. FACT.. plain - simple... if you want to work for that.. fair enough.. if you have worked for that.. fair enough... BUT... it is below the minima and will not get advertised on BAJR.
As to self employed... think about how you would reword it... but be very very sure, that you were making people aware that self employed = responsibility.
:face-thinks:
?When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.?
William Blake
:face-huh:
Can you be self employed as a digger...? yes.
Can you think you are self employed? yes
Can you find yourself in trouble unless you are careful? yes
Can some companies 'employ' you are self employed at a rate that is low for a self employed person? sadly yes.
Should people be aware? yes...
The guide is not meant to be comprehensive (and so has links to where you can get full details - as you say a whole range of factors have to be taken into consideration.
When you are on a hypothetical site.. the accommodation that is "provided" for you (will of course have to go through your books.. ) You are insured? Of course you must be... after all, you are hardly expecting every contact you get to be covered by the client? You have all the equipment you need to carry out a piece of work.. should you be called on? Do you have any say in how the site is dug? how it is written up? what samples are taken, where the drawing film comes from? do you provide anything? OR... do you just turn up in your car (which of course is insured for business use and all travel is indicated on you tax returns) with a trowel your own helmet? Hi-viz steelies.. etc...
It is quite possible to be self employed.. I am almost in despair trying to make that clear to you... However... 2 BIG factors come to the front...
A) Are you really self employed on every job you do?
B) Are you being underpaid?
Accommodation:
Lets look at an example given by the Inland Revenue
Quote:quote:The engagement is fairly long term and there is an extensive right of control over the person. He must carry out the services personally. The client provides equipment and accommodation and there is no significant financial risk to the company.http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/taxbulart.rtf
The only pointers to self-employment are the minimal financial risk (from invoicing), and the ability to work for others (again, a minor point) also the existence of other work for other clients.
Standing back from the detail therefore the engagement is one which would have been an employment had it been direct between the individual and the client. The common intention for self-employment does not alter that. Whilst it would have proved decisive in a 'borderline' situation a review of other factors points strongly to employment here. The new rules would apply to the engagement.
Borderline is the key word .. sometimes you may be... sometimes you may not... just thinking you are does not mean you are..
The whole thrust of this thread... 60 quid is too little for a self employed person to accept.. it is BELOW the minima set by BAJR and IfA.. FACT.. plain - simple... if you want to work for that.. fair enough.. if you have worked for that.. fair enough... BUT... it is below the minima and will not get advertised on BAJR.
As to self employed... think about how you would reword it... but be very very sure, that you were making people aware that self employed = responsibility.
:face-thinks:
?When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend.?
William Blake