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10th November 2008, 04:41 PM
Interesting add on to this.. is the point of view you look at it...
From the 'Scots' side... Athelstan had invaded in previous years and forced overlordship on the Scots King Constantine I... after first driving out the vikings of Yorkshire and Northumbria. and so, to save Scotland (only a few years old and a different shape from present day!) from this and from the point of view of the Vikings to regain lost territiry, taken by the Saxons, the battle is one of survival from aggresive policy of Athelstane... then you look on another BBC website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A3483029
Quote:quote:What Is Brunanburh's Legacy?
England and the essence of what it means to be English seem to be the legacy of this great battle. Athelstan succeeded in uniting all the tribes of Saxons in Wessex and Mercia, at the same time as ensuring that the seemingly inexorable march of the Vikings into England was halted and the Celts remained firmly in their place in the west of Britain.
here is the opposite view, where the plucky saxons were defending a life from invasion...
Who is right? well both I suppose... for England it forged alliance, for Scotland it hardened the border, with Athelstane to weak to fully enforce rule over Scotland .. for the Vikings? the end of rule or hope of in the mainland England ...
Fascinating!
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10th November 2008, 04:46 PM
The answer to Dirty Dave Lincoln's question comes, I think, from Aesop. According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography,
"David Hume of Godscroft, in his History of the Houses of Douglas and Angus (1644), was the first writer to apply the epithet Bell-the-Cat to the fifth earl. According to Godscroft, when the nobles were holding their conference in Lauder kirk to decide what could be done to remove the royal favourites, Lord Gray told the old story of the mice who resolved to hang a bell about the cat's neck, to give warning of its approach, but lacked the courage to do so, whereupon Earl Archibald volunteered to bell the cat."
Sounds made-up to me, but then much of the best history is...
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10th November 2008, 06:10 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by BAJR Host...for England it forged alliance, for Scotland it hardened the border, with Athelstane to weak to fully enforce rule over Scotland .. for the Vikings? the end of rule or hope of in the mainland England ...
'For the Vikings...the end of rule or hope of rule in England?
Clearly the BBC has mislaid Canute and Harthecanute somewhere along the way.....but I guess us English need a mythbusting series as well..
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10th November 2008, 06:57 PM
thanks hosty, i found that page eventually [:I] And they might discuss it in the next show
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10th November 2008, 09:48 PM
forgiven...
So much to see... so much to read...
top marks to BBC Scotland..
I agree.. the English could do with one of these too... a non jingo.. non bashing .. honest programme. (or have you done it already?)
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11th November 2008, 03:06 PM
Cheers for that Weegie, do they they mention the battle of Dunnichen (Nechtansmere) of the 7th century? I think it was just as important as Bannockburn was.
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11th November 2008, 04:01 PM
indeed they do... and the website allows you to learn a bit more... plus watch the relevant clip from the tv prog... very swish!
Scroll the timeline to 685 AD - Battle of Dun Nechtain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/er..._scotland/
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11th November 2008, 05:21 PM
Agreed about an English History Myth tv programme.
It may help many of them understand that England didn't begin with the 'Empire', the founding of Man United Football Club or 1966....
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11th November 2008, 05:21 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by BAJR Host
I agree.. the English could do with one of these too... a non jingo.. non bashing .. honest programme. (or have you done it already?)
Well there was 'We are History' which to my mind will never ever be bettered....
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11th November 2008, 06:27 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by andy.bicket
Quote:quote:Originally posted by kevin wooldridge
Quote:quote:Originally posted by BAJR Host
I agree.. the English could do with one of these too... a non jingo.. non bashing .. honest programme. (or have you done it already?)
Well there was 'We are History' which to my mind will never ever be bettered....
...I believe they attribute the Great Fire of London to the Gregg's Bakery there...exceptional insights from David Oxley (BA Hons)! A truly great archaeologist.
The Roman Invasion is a true classic...Boudica and the Roman's facing off next to the dips in ASDA
[video]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_IKGGUBjrOo[/video]
