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25th October 2011, 09:38 PM
Under the 'old' administration of the law a licence could be granted where 'accidental disturbance' of burials might occur i.e in an area where previous burials had been found such as certain parts of east London, disused burial grounds. Siimilarly a diocesan faculty could be obtained in advance if work took place in a burial ground covered by the CoE rather than Burial Act provisions. I don't see that the transfer of responsibility to the MoJ has changed that...
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26th October 2011, 12:58 AM
Responses not out of the ordinary. Even if push came to shove and you were in a hurry, as long as the app was "in the mail" no harm no foul. COE burial/land wouldn't be a hinderance, law unto themselves.
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26th October 2011, 11:00 AM
moreno Wrote:Responses not out of the ordinary. Even if push came to shove and you were in a hurry, as long as the app was "in the mail" no harm no foul. COE burial/land wouldn't be a hinderance, law unto themselves.
slightly cavalier approach which may get you caught up in red tape or worse!
if you read the licence application form all the details you need to give are on it
this is nothing to do with faculties granted by a diocese
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26th October 2011, 11:01 AM
moreno Wrote:Responses not out of the ordinary. Even if push came to shove and you were in a hurry, as long as the app was "in the mail" no harm no foul. COE burial/land wouldn't be a hinderance, law unto themselves.
CoE....Well law unto themselves maybe, but you would still require a diocesan faculty licence.
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26th October 2011, 11:26 AM
P Prentice Wrote:slightly cavalier approach which may get you caught up in red tape or worse!
Not at all, initiative and efficiency and depends on the situation really. Decisions in the field are not always clear cut or follow a check list.
Quote: if you read the licence application form all the details you need to give are on it
this is nothing to do with faculties granted by a diocese
Obviously, as mentioned by Kevin.
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26th October 2011, 11:36 AM
Would I be right in thinking this is the correct address to apply as per P Prentice post. but without the direct named contact.
Ministry of Justice,
Coroners Unit, Burial Team,
102 Petty France,
London
SW1H 9AJ
tel: 0203 334 6390
Email:
coroners@justice.gsi.gov.uk
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26th October 2011, 11:40 AM
Having the relevant license in hand is always preferable. As for the CoE being a law unto themselves, excavating burials on church land was an eye opening bureaucratic experience.
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26th October 2011, 01:07 PM
BAJR Wrote:2) I intend to excavate a mound which I think is a clearance cairn but the client thinks is a burial mound - during the excavation we do uncover human remains.
I immediately apply for a licence from MoJ explaining how they were uncovered.
You should always consider leaving the human remains in situ (if they aren't gonna be damaged by the development).
Also I'd say its just as important to contact the county archaeologist too. At the very least to get advice and the local research priorities and/or benefit of past mistakes.
We get burial licenses over the phone, then faxed through. But I think that ease and any leeway is given coz we are a known archaeological company thtas been doing it for ages.
Some unknown person/company may have to provide more? Not sure though.
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26th October 2011, 01:27 PM
Jack Wrote:We get burial licenses over the phone, then faxed through. But I think that ease and any leeway is given coz we are a known archaeological company thtas been doing it for ages.
Some unknown person/company may have to provide more? Not sure though.
Tis what I was alluding to. Thanks for making it clear.:face-approve:
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26th October 2011, 01:35 PM
Just to throw sixpence worth of self-doubt into the equation....does the same law/jurisdiction apply in Scotland as applies in England and Wales? What is the situation regarding burials on 'church land' in North Britain?
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