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20th October 2015, 09:56 PM
Does the amount deducted for travel reduce the hourly rate below minimum wage? Payments made by an employer towards travel don't count towards minimum wage.
It's pretty poor that they are deducting money for travel when they choose the location of the accommodation.
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20th October 2015, 11:54 PM
If we consider that the pay rate before the deductions meets, minima, I make the rate of pay to be 61p above minimum wage. This is academic though, the pay rate is pathetic. The cIFA and BAJR should apply the same rules to minima that are applied to the minimum wage, that is that, companies will not be regarded as paying minima if deductions reduce the pay rate below minima, given a similar allowance for the deduction of some costw towards accommodation.
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21st October 2015, 12:31 AM
(This post was last modified: 21st October 2015, 12:36 AM by Crocodile.)
If I work away my accommodation is paid for and it usually includes breakfast. I will also get a daily subsistance allowance. I will get a mileage allowance from my accommodation, to site and back, which is only fair as the distance and location of my accommodation to the site is the choice of my employer. I will also get mileage paid for the distance from the main office to the site and back. I get all this on top of my pay, and so I should, so why is it that these are taken as deductions from others?
If a company is providing low cost accommodation reasonably local to their main office, as a means of providing cheap accommodation for temporary workers, this is more acceptable. Even so, I do not think it should reduce wages below a minima, a minima which is an utter disgrace and insult in itself.
The deductions for travel really boils my piss though. If you as an employer choose the the distance between my normal place of work and my place of residence, why should I incur the costs. I would be quite happy for my employer to accommodate me within reasonable walking distance and charge me nothing.
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21st October 2015, 10:40 AM
My understanding is that ANY deductions must still leave you with minimum pay rates....but getting back to this question of paying for travel. Any deduction from wages is only legal if it is described in your contract and if it is fair and proportionate. An employer is not obliged to reimburse you for the journey from home to place of work, but there after is open to question. Your contract should state your place of work. if it is the 'site' or the company office might make a difference. If travel is from provided accommodation to a site might make a difference. I suggest that the employees in question need to contact their trade union regarding this matter....
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21st October 2015, 10:46 AM
This RAO has been doing it for many years and always take advantage of green graduates who cannot get a start elsewhere, absolutely disgraceful yet nothing is ever done ! Were they not stripped of RAO for a while by IfA several years ago ?
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21st October 2015, 11:21 AM
its probably not relevant but there was this EU ruling recently. A lot of archaeology cases could be called semi mobile but the principle is that traveling to and from a place of work/office which is not the office should be counted as work time
https://www.unison.org.uk/news/press-rel...e-to-work/
might suggest that there must be a specific office/place of work stipulated in the contract
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21st October 2015, 12:19 PM
Makes a nice change to be occupying the moral higher(ish) ground, non-RO that gets slagged-off plenty but pays minima and chucks in free accom (or allowance instead if people want) and free transport. Still seem to get plenty of contracts and haven't gone bust yet, so this sort of shafting of the workforce described above is presumably just so that the management of the offending RO can line their own pockets? Vote with your feet, people
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21st October 2015, 01:28 PM
Dinosaur Wrote:pays minima and chucks in free accom (or allowance instead if people want) and free transport. !
when do you do this and who gets it?
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21st October 2015, 01:30 PM
Marc Berger Wrote:its probably not relevant but there was this EU ruling recently. A lot of archaeology cases could be called semi mobile but the principle is that traveling to and from a place of work/office which is not the office should be counted as work time
https://www.unison.org.uk/news/press-rel...e-to-work/
might suggest that there must be a specific office/place of work stipulated in the contract
you are an imposter or some kind of eval fairy body snatcher coming on here and being rational and right - hand him back
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21st October 2015, 02:43 PM
P Prentice Wrote:when do you do this and who gets it?
Read the ads? Could be why we seem to have lots of happy workforce, about 70 at last count
