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25th November 2011, 06:09 PM
Oxbeast Wrote:I have to admit that I was put off participating in this thread by the manager's mentality expressed by Dinosaur: everything is fine as it is and people should stop moaning about it.
I reckon David is probably about right with the salary levels, and Ken whittaker is fairly miles off. ?25-29K for entry level staff?
Where did I say that? - I'm quite happy to take the current x several that everyone seems to be proposing, am sure I could moor a yacht year-round in a prime spot for the Monaco GP or something with the extra, or maybe hire an entire surrogate digging crew so my knees last longer :face-approve:
But in the meantime everyone seems to have stuck pretty successfully to the 'fantasy' theme of this thread - agree with RedEarth on that one. Currently rises in line with inflation seem to be a reasonable, if optimistic, aim
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25th November 2011, 06:15 PM
Oxbeast Wrote:I have to admit that I was put off participating in this thread by the manager's mentality expressed by Dinosaur
Seems to be the more managerial/office types posting on here who are suggesting the whacky 70-80k wages? - whereas I'm taking the obvious line that whatever's said on here (which is meant to be 'fantasy' so why's everyone getting so excited?) actually has no meaning whatsoever in the real world - come the new year the wages for everyone will still be sh**e. Any of the employers on here (maybe PP?) offering to give all their workforce a 200% payrise in January? No, thought not.....
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25th November 2011, 06:17 PM
Sorry, Oxbeast's quote was so good I had to use it twice - never been accused of having a 'manager's mentality' before, my current employers would be horrified.... }
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25th November 2011, 06:25 PM
Dinosaur Wrote:- whereas I'm taking the obvious line that whatever's said on here ....... actually has no meaning whatsoever in the real world .....
sorry been editing shite all day and its hard to stop
i will give everybody a 200% pay rise next year if all other archaeological employers do the same and the ability to underttake archaeological excavations is restricted to liscensed archaeological contractors:face-approve:
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25th November 2011, 06:42 PM
I cannot help thinking that next year might see an even more rapidly shrinking archaeology work force in all sectors of the profession. Worries about having and keeping a job might overide worries about pay levels
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25th November 2011, 07:37 PM
I agree .. this is a fantasy. and an intersting exercise it is.
Looks like BAJR will be doing the more reasonable 2% which does get G2staff over the mgic 16k pa
As to licencing archaeologists... I am willing to take on that job. cheers for the support PP... now, can you send me 5 recent reports and I can also contact the curatorial services to ask how you did.
Will take up some of my time, but m willing to do it, if it helps get rid of the cowboys :face-approve:
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25th November 2011, 08:19 PM
OOh yes please sign me up for a BAJR licence ASP:face-approve: ( how many beer tokens will it cost me?)
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25th November 2011, 08:53 PM
You can become a Recognised Organisation oh hold on that could be confusing
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26th November 2011, 01:29 PM
I think to be fair to Ken Whittaker he does preface his contribution with the caveat that he is only suggesting a rate that matches archaeological salaries with those of comparable industries.....
...whilst I think there is some scope for variation of salaries around a mean figure I am a little surprised that no-one so far has suggested that the 'average' UK archaeological wage shouldn't at least equal the average UK wage i.e ?30,800 per year. That of course means if you have a lot of practitioners earning below that level, there must be a minority earning some way above it to make the law of averages work. If you took as a rough estimate that there are c4000 archaeologists at work in the UK,and say 2000 of those are on ?20,000 and 1000 are on ?25000, the remaining thousand would have to be earning close to ?60,000 a year just to make the average archaeology wage the same as the average UK wage.
So I am not so sure that Ken's figures are too far off what ought to be a reasonable aim for the profession. That is a dignity wage that equals the UK average wage. (I am of course talking fantasy aspiration here.....)
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26th November 2011, 03:51 PM
I'd be more than happy if I could start my career at 20000. Or 18000. Or even 15000, for that matter. I'd be happy if I could manage to nail a first job at all. With a bit of added training, because sadly I can't afford to go on four-week digs without getting paid a penny anymore, so my trowelling is getting a bit rusty.
