Spot Listing and spot scheduling

[troll]

Not sure sir-please define "spot listing". From my experience, listing and scheduling does not protect monuments or buildings from commercial developers anyway....

[drpeterwardle]

Spot listing is the process by which a building is listed quickly and on individual basis rather than as part of a survey.

Peter

[troll]

Thank you Dr Pete.Does spot listing embue the building in question with equal protection to those that have gone through the full process? How often does "spot listing" take place?Would be nice to be able to do the same for some of the exquisite archaeology I`ve seen dissapear under a jcb!

[drpeterwardle]

In short

Yes

and often sufficiently quickly under 2 weeks

Peter

[Hugh]

I've been told by fairly reliable sources that EH can push through a scheduling quickly in order to protect archaeological remains from development, and I'm fairly sure I know of a couple of examples (will check next time I talk to the curator involved), however it can involve paying compensation to the developer for stopping the works which means that EH are reluctant to do it.
Spot listing is rare in my experiance, but quick enough when it needs to be.

Where?

[BAJR Host]

very rare indeed... up here in jocko land we often have the problem that HS can't get involved in 'active' planning development. thus only when a site is not in the planning process can it be scheduled, or the scheduling be altered. We had a recent case where the applicant failed to reapply for development, and this gave the locals the chance to apply to HS for increasing teh area of scheduling.. before that... HS could (or would not) do anything

Another day another WSI?

[Hugh]

quote:Originally posted by BAJR Host

very rare indeed... up here in jocko land we often have the problem that HS can't get involved in 'active' planning development. thus only when a site is not in the planning process can it be scheduled, or the scheduling be altered. We had a recent case where the applicant failed to reapply for development, and this gave the locals the chance to apply to HS for increasing teh area of scheduling.. before that... HS could (or would not) do anything

Another day another WSI?

Thinking about it more they were both pre-application. One was discovered by evaluation, the other by Geophysics. The later was announced as a new scheduled site about 5 minutes before the committe was due to meet!

Where?

[1man1desk]

Another problem in Scotland - I gather that because HS is part of the Scottish Executive (rather than a separate quango like EH), they are not allowed to object to schemes proposed (or part-proposed) by the Scottish Executive (such as major road schemes), even where they would object on archaeological grounds if there was a different developer. Their status can also have an undesirable effect on when and how evaluation takes place.

Can anyone in Scotland confirm or deny this? Anyone in HS on BAJR?

1man1desk

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[historic building]

I signed up to rant as soon as i saw this topic.

Spot listing, currently, is totally inadequate unless it is accompanied by a building preservation order and the willingness of the relevant borough council to back this up with enforcement.

EH send a notice through to the owner to inform them that the building is under consideration for listing, even when you specifically state that this will put the building under threat. I had been attempting to have a pub listed due to the quality of its interior The building was in a conservation area, so its exterior was protected, but the borough did not issue a buildings preservation order, and the developer was informed of the proposed listing. 20 minutes with a chain saw was all it took to prevent the building being listed.

The most recent changes to the listing proceedure will, in theory, change this as it is proposed that any building suggested for listing will be protected once EH have the request and it is in their system. However there is still nothing to prevent demolitions of buildings which are not listed or are in conservation areas or the removal of potentially important interiors of buildings only in conservation areas.

[the invisible man]

quote:Originally posted by historic building
However there is still nothing to prevent demolitions of buildings which are not listed

Well, there wouldn't be, would there? Other than the planning process of course.

Re. "chainsaws" - the classic example must be the Hoover building.

Today, Bradford. Tomorrow, well, Bradford probably.