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23rd September 2005, 01:56 PM
Quote:quote:OK, they didn't set that % but what makes it alright for a curator to do so?!? If this were my project I'd be looking to the contingency, renegotiating the contract or asking for EH assistance (unexpected discoveries etc). I WANT strong intervention by the curators, and consultants too if they are aboard. I would also hope that with 'additional' help of students and volunteers that a greater sample would be investigated - originally posted by achingknees
I didn't say the sample was right, just that the contractor shouldn't be blamed for it.
On the "additional help from students and volunteers" - should archaeologists be giving a freebie to a developer on a PPG16 site by exploiting unpaid help? Back to the bad old days indeed!
1man1desk
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23rd September 2005, 02:15 PM
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A closer look will reveal that those named are studiously NOT moaning about protecting their anonymity.
Good point, apologies for generalising and tarring everyone with the same brush. Those named are indeed conspicuous by their silence.
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23rd September 2005, 02:17 PM
I would like to clarify a point about people not using their real names. The tradition of this list is that you refer to people by their user name not their real name.
This has been a tradition of Bajr baiting for many years. It is a matter of personal choice for whatever reason.
Peter
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23rd September 2005, 02:57 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by 1man1desk
[quote]I didn't say the sample was right, just that the contractor shouldn't be blamed for it.
On the "additional help from students and volunteers" - should archaeologists be giving a freebie to a developer on a PPG16 site by exploiting unpaid help? Back to the bad old days indeed!
1man1desk
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Exactly! There is perhaps a case for limited voluntary assistance when the professional element is adequate. The report states that the composition of the workforce was 'a full professional team assisted by members of the public and archaeology students'. On the same page it also states 'at the close of the field project there was some disappointment that it had not been possible to map the entire plan of the enclosure circuit...'. The enclosure was 0.9ha. The whole project done in 4 weeks. I don't know about 'bad old days' - the IA/RB enclosures I have excavated took considerably more time than that. Often it took several weeks for features to weather out. In addition we learnt that often much more archaeology was found outside enclosures and have since made sure that the external areas were at least sampled.
Treat this a report critique, not defamatory rants.
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23rd September 2005, 03:04 PM
Quote:quote:Originally posted by 1man1desk
[quote]On the "additional help from students and volunteers" - should archaeologists be giving a freebie to a developer on a PPG16 site by exploiting unpaid help? Back to the bad old days indeed!
Earlier this year I worked unpaid on a PPG16 site but whether or not my situation is typical or not, I don't know.
Not having any luck finding for my first paid work I got in contact with a unit who already knew me as I been involved with them previously for various reasons. I explained the situation and asked if I could be help out/volunteer on any of their projects where I would learn something new to go on my CV and enhance my job prospects. After it was OK'd with all parties involved I was duly offered a few days on an project involving an aspect of excavation I had not done before. The only stipulation was that I was would not start until site clearance and overburden excavation had been completed as it would be unfair to expect me to do 5 days shovelling and barrowing if I wasn't being paid and not learning anything. I did a couple of days there before before going off on a paid job with the same unit. After the paid work I was asked if I would like to go back to the unpaid work for a few days as they had something interesting for me to excavate which would be a good learning experience. I was only too pleased to do so.
OK, so the unit got a few days unpaid labour out of me but I got a lot out of the deal, not least something to add to my CV. I did not feel exploited in any way and I doubt I affected any of financial aspects of the project, either for the unit or the client. More recently I volunteered to help out with a non-PPG16 research project the same unit was undertaking and although I didn't ask or expect to get paid for it, money was found out of a very tight budget and I got a week's wages. Good Karma, I feel.
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23rd September 2005, 04:27 PM
On the voluntary work front, I think that it is admirable that there are units offering the opportunities and people taking them up. It's a great way to get some extra experience or to try something new.
The problems occur if we expect that to be the norm in commercial archaeology, with competitive undercutting during the tender process being backed up by voluntary labour to get the job done.
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6th October 2005, 01:07 PM
I want to find sum voluntary work
just dont no where and also wanna make friends of similar frame of mind
C.Stowers
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6th October 2005, 01:41 PM
what part of the country are you in?
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14th December 2005, 03:52 PM
I live on the Isle of Wight.. which you should know seeing as you said you've met me!
I also think I know who you are!!
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