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10th December 2006, 08:28 PM
Was just wondering if it would be possible for advertisers on the BAJR to provide a minimum contract length when advertising posts as recently i acepted a position but when the contract arrived it ever so slightly different to what was discussed over the phone, and instead of stating the contract end date it said up to or before the given date! This has resulted in a large group of unemployed archaeologists with no work over christmas.
If when the jobs were advertised a date was given would this give us more protection against this happening again in the future?
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10th December 2006, 08:44 PM
Sounds like only fair.... it has to be remembered that although it may be legal and reasonable to expect... trying living without ANY pay for 3-4 weeks. over Xmas.. not fun....surely we at the management level remember that... give peple a chance to sort out alternative s is not too much to ask.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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11th December 2006, 06:09 PM
Seasons Greetings to you Trowelfodder,
Assuming that this job is where I think it is and also assuming that the grapevine is correct about the circumstances of your impending temporary unemployment, but based on your comments... I think I am correct ....and of course therefore the firm that has done this to you is the same one that is often discussed on here...no names of course Mr Hosty.... I am not at all surprised at what has happened.
Well you know what to say to them when they want to re-hire again in the New Year. Bet they will be desperate to get you back then, as they will have targets to meet and will need all the staff they can get..... ask for more money or tell them to get like a turkey ... and get stuffed......
Good Luck!
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12th December 2006, 10:26 PM
Cheers for that, needs must when the devil drives and all that but i will have to be starving, destitute and homeless before i go back - not that thats unlikely after a month unemployed!
Hopefully when they do readvertise after christmas theyll have to properly commit to a minimum contract and at least people will not be missled when they sign thier souls away [:p]
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12th December 2006, 10:30 PM
I would however take a dim view of firing and rehiring... for a contract that is to continue.
Anyone know the legal postion (probably legal) - could someone pop this hypothetical question onto the NEW employment questions section...
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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13th December 2006, 10:55 AM
I don't know any of the specifics of the case alluded to, but where were the contracts? Did anybody sign anything? Surely if they did, their legal position would be much stronger. Could BAJR do something about getting advertisers to obtain signed contracts before work starts, rather than people turning up on site and being told that the contracts will be sent out from the office 'shortly' but hearing no more about it? It isn't hard to print off a few standard contracts and fill in the dates. Any company that doesn't should have some explaining to do.
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13th December 2006, 12:01 PM
Agree with that Tom... Express terms
MUST be made available within Eight weeks. such as hours, holiday and pay.
See :
http://www.worksmart.org.uk/rights/views....php?sen=2
However - legally in England and Wales -
Contract of employment:
A
legally enforceable agreement between an employer and an employee. It can impose duties on both the employer and the employee. They are normally,
but not always, written down, and normally you are given your contract before or when you start work. But the
courts will rule that a contract exists between you and your employer if
you have agreed to perform a task in return for payment.
Some terms of a contract of employment may not be written down, but are implied by law or by custom and practice in your workplace. For example, the employer's duty to provide a safe, secure and health environment is implied by law into all contracts of employment. A contract ca'nt be less than the legal minimum... but can offer more.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
Khufu
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13th December 2006, 03:25 PM
Does the world alluded to in this thread result from << Edited for AUP reasons sorry - BAJR Host>>
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14th December 2006, 08:20 AM
Thanks for that Kevin. You are quite right. And One hopes that if people are being re-employed... the company was aware of this.
you normaly get 'paid' for the statutory holidays..and take the time off in between these as holiday. therefore this year for example
leave work on Friday 22nd --->> 25th is a Holiday 26th is a holiday 27,28,29 have to come off my annual leave 1st and 2nd January are holidays (in Scotland) and I am back at work on Wednesday 3rd... so I have to use 3 days annual leave entitlement.
"No job worth doing was ever done on time or under budget.."
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14th December 2006, 09:16 AM
BAJR host said
"you normaly get 'paid' for the statutory holidays"
to clarify something my understanding is that the term "statutory holidays" currently means the 20 day holidays people are entitled to by law.
This is not to be confused with "public holidays which are days such as Christmas Day. Being allowed to take public holidays off is a matter for individual contracts as is being given public holidays as extra paid leave.
Peter Wardle
