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8th September 2010, 12:19 PM
[FONT="]Are you kidding me? Does Oxford seriously beleive they can get someone with all of these skills with that kind of salary? [/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="] I couldn't believe that when I saw it. I know it must meet the minimums otherwise it wouldn't have been posted on BAJR, but - please. This madness has to stop - we are allowing such a massive devaluation of our skills that soon, we'll be paying companies to employ us.[/FONT]
[FONT="] How can you realistically ask someone to open a whole new region -in a foreign country , far from the home office - on a junior level salary?! You must be kidding. Is Oxford that out of touch with what is actually needed to perform business at this level? To represent a company and make sound decisions in that kind of environment? Either they don't, or they are just not serious about the position - i.e.: not investing enough to really make a go of it.
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[FONT="]To be fair, perhaps there is already a structure in place for this person to fit into, after all Oxford have been working in France for quite awhile. So I'm prepared to accept this new person might not be expected to go it alone. But still, that salary is not exactly going to make people feel secure. Thumbs down.[/FONT]
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8th September 2010, 01:22 PM
Yeah the wages is in euros......doesn't that work out as ?23840 to ?28772 per anum?
I'm on only a few grand short of the lower rate and I'm not even a manager!
But having worked for the oxford unit before (a long time ago) it doesn't surprise me:face-stir:
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8th September 2010, 06:58 PM
Marion said "in a foreign country , far from the home office" I would just like to point out that Caen is only 47 miles further away than Preston (Where Oxford North are based) from Oxford and a lot closer than AOC Edinburgh Office is from their Southampton Office.
Yes France is a foreign country but it is the EU and this is 2010. This is the modern world. Why should archaeology be any different to other environmental companies which work across Europe. It is also not a junior post.
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8th September 2010, 08:01 PM
Passes the requirements for BAJR... and yes they have a structure in place, so its not a case of the person turning up at a train station in France, with a suitcase and being asked to start it all from scratch. actually, it takes less time to get to oxford from Caen that it does to get from Oxford to Edinburgh
BAJR has over the years set a minimum bar... , now accepted as a minimum standard. What happens next is a raising of that standard... however, BAJR (being one person) can't bully people... or companies - BUT... with FAME, the IfA and BAJR then it can work... time for the BEnchmarking to move forward. I agree about devalued skills, but welcome to the wacky world, where a hundred pounds can mean the difference between getting a job and jot... a company must cut to the bone... and in archaeology, thats often an unkind cut. however we can move forward, and in ten years we have.... with general support, we can move on!
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10th September 2010, 02:18 AM
"I would just like to point out that Caen is only 47 miles further away than Preston "
76 kilometers, surely Peter?
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10th September 2010, 01:49 PM
Hmmn. So both Preston and Caen share a certain similarity – or as Lancastrians would call it, ‘I don’t know what.’
But it is a different country; it’s in the eurozone; there are different methods; legislative framework; and commercial environment. Realistically, you have to get a plane to get there and back, and on that money you can afford a flight every 2 months. I know because I’ve done it.
One of the main reasons given for the vastly inflated wages in the financial sector is because organisations need to attract the best, and with quality people at the helm, they get better quality business through the door.
Why does this logic not also work with archaeology?
This is the skint leading the skint, and it is to all our detriment.
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10th September 2010, 02:09 PM
Of course no other archaeological firm (say, for example Wessex) would expect so much for so little.
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10th September 2010, 03:01 PM
freestate Wrote:"I would just like to point out that Caen is only 47 miles further away than Preston "
76 kilometers, surely Peter?
Hate to point out, that unless they have moved very recently, OA North are based in LANCASTER, not PRESTON. This makesthem a further 26 miles further away from Oxford, as far as I can tell. Still Preston, Lancaster, who cares eh, they're both in the North and certainly not in France...
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10th September 2010, 06:28 PM
But surely, Vulpes, this is what we all have to do for the foreseeable future. Our beloved leaders tell us so
http://tiny.cc/p9bel so it must be right!
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10th September 2010, 10:00 PM
Quote:Hate to point out, that unless they have moved very recently, OA North are based in LANCASTER, not PRESTON. This makesthem a further 26 miles further away from Oxford, as far as I can tell. Still Preston, Lancaster, who cares eh, they're both in the North and certainly not in France...
As opposed to their Carlisle office, which is another 60 or so miles further from the dreaming spires...
