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Most unit managers I've known couldn't manage themselves out of a paper bag. They are like a conference team playing a premiership team when they come up against developers. They have been wanting to get rid of pesky archaeologists from their sites since PPG16 and now they see their chance to use their muscle.
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On the question of LIFO its a little more complex than just looking after the old lags....I am guessing that any employer who has to lay off staff will in the first instance look for contract expired staff, voluntary redundancy and staff with less than 1 years service. All of those can be dismissed at virtually no cost and with the widest legal latitude. Staff who require redundancy notice, redundancy payments and other settlements will always be protected ahead of the short term or temporary employee. It's not discrimination, it's common sense....
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deadlylampshade Wrote:Universities have been aware of this for donkeys...
I'm not sure that they have (even in the donkeys years since I left university), as the majority of academic archaeologists have little experience outside of the university sector. Although I inderstand that things are now changing due to cuts in HE funding, they haven't had to rely on income from developer led archaeology to pay their way, so I think a lot of people will be in for a shock.
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Comarch Wrote:top heavy managment all trying hard to justify their existance.
Marcus coughs and looks a bit shifty.
Well of course, I'm absolutely essential, but I know exactly what you mean!
Good line about General Grant, Deadly  .
As regards universities warning prospective archaeology students about the realities of life as a commercial archaeologist, I don't really think this is their job. As I said above, their role is to educate people, not to ensure they have jobs at the end of the course. Arguably, it's the responsibility of the student to look at the likely job prospects and pay levels in their chosen field before embarking on a course of study, but I know that not many do - I certainly didn't pay much attention to my parents' questions about what I'd do with an archaeology degree. That's not to lessen the sympathy I have for any recent archaeology graduate trying to start out at the moment - when they started their course, 3 years ago (or 4 if in Scotland), the financial climate was hugely different, and employment prospects, while perhaps not great in terms of money, were at least much much better than they are now.
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Comarch Wrote:, I think we have seen the best of it. Not just because of the appalling situation of fieldwork at the moment, but also ......... Archaeology needs to speak with one voice with public support, but, .......even getting diggers to unite as a body has been, so far, fruitless. See past threads ad nauseum.
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Sorry for the delayed reply Prentice, and yes I travelled a round trip of 150 miles by train to get to my unit, then we drove to a site about an hour away for around 9 months I think I did that, all for the greater good Thats one of the reasons I get soo naffed off with the last in first out policy of pretty much every unit. But hey ho, thats just me being bitter  ! I am glad that my simple thread has provoked a bit of discussion. Keep up the good work people! :face-approve:
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Marcus Brody Wrote:Good line about General Grant, Deadly.
Oh good...I feared it was pearls before swine...
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Sith Wrote:I'm not sure that they have (even in the donkeys years since I left university), as the majority of academic archaeologists have little experience outside of the university sector.
Uh oh...I can feel John McEnroe coming on...
You cannot be serious , surely? Meant in the most polite way of course but they MUST have some idea what the little darlings are going to do in the big bad world (other than MAs).???:0
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deadlylampshade Wrote: You cannot be serious , surely? Meant in the most polite way of course but they MUST have some idea what the little darlings are going to do in the big bad world (other than MAs).???:0 Do you really think so? Some may have an idea but the majority of those that I know these days are utterly clueless about work outside the academic/university sphere. They also don't see it as their job to prepare students for life in commercial archaeology. Instead they are bent on creating lots of little academics out of those that survive their first degrees and go on to study MAs and PhDs.
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Well stap me! I must be more naive than they are!!!:0
Heading to the bar to recover....xx(
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Merlot in one hand, Cigar in the other; body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!
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