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Any chance of a coherent response? Reasonably fair question I thought...
This thread has turned out to be one of the largest and most visited for a while and, its aired a goodly few perceptions on an important issue for all of us. It would be a shame to see it descend into a one-line competition in pubescence...
Come on guys, this was interesting once!
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Sadly, I think the conversation died within the first few pages. It would be a shame for this thread to be solely reduced to baiting as the pagan community is very wide and this thread is watched and not just by Pagans for Archaeology:
http://wildhunt.org/blog/?s=bajr
So, to further conversation...Did anyone on here attend the Pagans and Archaeology conference? I had a hankering to go but finances did not permit.
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well, cutting and pasting presents this, my post from the 'archaeology in the news' thread, hope that's provocative enough for you:
quote:Originally posted by Dirty Dave Lincoln
And with all due respect to you weegie-how can it be enough when the debate is still ongoing?
Human remains are human remains at the end of the day and ALL should be treated with respect regardless of creed/colour/religion etc.
a logically untenable position. what about people who will their bodies for medical research? do they, at the moment of death, suddenly become your sacred 'human remains' and so out of reach of those godless medical students? donated organs? "sorry, i know you've only got a week to live, and we did have a new liver, a perfect tissue match, but it's been re-classified as Human Remains, so we've got to respectfully chuck it into a hole in the ground. hope that's some comfort to you and your family over the next few days...."
remains, Dirty Dave, are remains, bones are bones.
with the greatest respect, get a grip.
the one line competition in pubescence seems to be sidetracked on the 'sexy archaeology' thread.
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The thread has indeed died.
Comments past page 13 have side-tracked to issues unrelated to our original request for the reburial of several prehistoric ancestors from the avebury complex that are of interest to pilgrims and visitors to the site and museum.
Issues relating to other ancestral remains at other sites should obviously be considered on a case by case basis, and not through this request. In this way, Council's request for reburial sets a precedent for Avebury (and possible Stonehenge), but not any other part of this ancestral Earth.
Paul Davies /|\
Reburial Officer
Council of British Druid Orders
Peace and love and light to this Earth, womb of the ancestors from which we are re-born
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Read what other Pagans and Archaeologists say..
http://archaeopagans.blogspot.com/2009/0...otest.html
my personal faves are..
I never noted for COBODO or ODDBINS
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You are not King Arthur or you would be fighting to keep the English away from Stonehenge..
Some very good discussion there...
Another one is about respect.. and they are right, Osteologists can and do treat bones with respect!
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The archaeopagan website site is notorious for its ignorance and back-stabbing black politics.
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Quote:quote:Originally posted by Oddie
The archaeopagan website site is notorious for its ignorance and back-stabbing black politics.
Oddie
Human sacrifice? How appropriate
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DIE, INTERMINABLY}
CIRCULAR THREAD, DIE!
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You cannot kill what does not live/exist
I would bury it, but then I might be accused of disrespect
If I agree I am fine.. If I do not agree I am evil..
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Roll on BAJR Federation!
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Quote:quote:Originally posted by Oddie
The thread has indeed died.
Comments past page 13 have side-tracked to issues unrelated to our original request for the reburial of several prehistoric ancestors from the avebury complex that are of interest to pilgrims and visitors to the site and museum.
Issues relating to other ancestral remains at other sites should obviously be considered on a case by case basis, and not through this request. In this way, Council's request for reburial sets a precedent for Avebury (and possible Stonehenge), but not any other part of this ancestral Earth.
Paul Davies /|\
Reburial Officer
Council of British Druid Orders
Peace and love and light to this Earth, womb of the ancestors from which we are re-born
Oddie
I agree that the 'remains' are of interest to a number of people. Many of those people have different ideas of what should be done, most are likely to have an equal level of physical relationship (given the age of the remains)and so therefore have an equal say in law.
The proposal to rebury the remains means that the wishes of all the people who do NOT wish to see them reburied would be overridden by those who did wish that. It would also mean that these remains were no longer available for people to see and appreciate. Actually seeing human remains reminds many people of the fact that
real people lived, worked and died in the lansdscapes and that those landscapes have developed and changed thanks to people.
That's quite apart from the potential damage to a scheduled ancient monument if reburial goes ahead.
And in the nicest possible way, unless someone has a time machine they're not declaring, it seems very unlikely that anyone knows what respect and rituals are due for such a reburial.
So, I still disagree with the proposal. I think that the case of a need for reburial is not proved (noone knows what people believed or how they demonstrated that belief) and there is a clear case that reburial would both damage the physical monuments and potentially damage modern peoples understanding and appreciation of our ancestors. Clearly that's only my opinion, but isn't that the whole point of this discussion? It's peoples opinions.
