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drugs testing
#11
Quote:quote:I reckon as much as 50% if not higher of archaeologists smoke weed on a regular basis.

Would that figure of 50% or Higher be dependant upon the type of weed they are smoking?

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#12
And on a more serious note, I do believe that anyone found to be under the influence on site, be it from drinking the night before or having a swift toke in tea break, should be tarred and feathered and ridden off site on a rail, never to be allowed back on again, because they are a danger to themselves and others.

Cheers,
Eggbasket
Gentleman Adventurer and Antique

"A stitch in time saves precious bodily fluids."
#13
I recently worked on a site in the south of england for a leading supermarket who insisted up daily drink and drug testing (2000).

I have no problem with this policey after all the main contractor is responible for everyones health and saftey. Only fair,
#14
I think you all need to take a chill pill.[8D]
#15
Hear hear Vulpes.

Cannabis apparently stays in your system for up to three months, so its not as if you even have to be a regular user to get caught. Coke and heroin, on the other hand, are gone within thirty six hours. Mind you, not many diggers I know can afford to be coke users.

I reckon that unless someone suspects your work of being deficient, theres no real reason to want to test you. And therefore no reason to agree to testing.
#16
But seriously. There are obvious health and safety issues at stake here, and most employers have 'being under the influence' as an act of gross misconduct resulting in dismissal. Construction sites are dangerous places as we all realise, and most archaeological sites are construction sites in the eyes of the HSE. Anyone who's ever worked on a railtrack site will also be aware that in order to get your pass you have to certify that you haven't partaken within the last 12 hours (if I recall correctly, 'hic). I think this is a common sense issue, and one which also touches on civil liberties, with a touch of nanny stateism thrown in. I would suggest that alcohol is a far bigger problem in archaeology, and in the world in general. The profession has a hard drinking culture that runs through it, and I would suggest that many site staff past and present would fail a breath test in the morning after another night down the boozer. As Oxbest points out Cannabis stays traceable for a long time after its effects have worn off and rolling out testing across the profession would decimate many units and university departments, maaaan. I must, however stress that my thoughts here are stated purely as an outsider looking in and are no way to be considered a reflection of my own (clean living) lfestyle. :face-topic:
#17
All I am saying in this... is I am aware about where this comes from... have given advice and I can only say that the advice was the archaeological contractors to ensure they have there own drugs (and drink) policy - and as such.. whoever they are working for have no legal right to enforce their own drugs policy.

You do have the right to refuse a drugs test, but as such are open to dismissal due to refusal.. however you are not dismissed for drug use... only for refusing.

I think we are all adult enough here to admit we are in a situation where often.. temptation for a weekend spliff is great.

The question is should having a pint (or 2) on Saturday will affect your ability with a shovel on Monday... same for anything... If you are in any way affected by even a hangover.. and the position you have is one where negligance could cause harm to another... you'd be oooot. However I have myself spent many a hungover morning... troweling gently.... I was no harm to anyone... but the director was right to bollock me for not being up to spreed on his site... fair point.

Remember... DRUGs are illegal.... Drinking or being under the influence of drink on site ranges from stupid to dangerous.

You have personal freedoms, but also you have a duty of care to all who are relying on you to either put in a full days work.... or work a mini digger!

Another day another WSI?
#18
Quote:quote:Remember... DRUGs are illegal....

Isnt weed for personal use now legal?

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#19
As far as I am aware if it is the company policy then all people employed by a firm must conform to the drug testing unfortunatly, if you dont then you can refuse, but more than likly you can be dismissed for breaking health and saftey policies.

I dont think they are targeting archaeologists its generally for all employees of a company/contractor.

May god go with you in all the dark places you must walk.
#20
Testing for drugs or alcohol is not necessarily linked to H & S legislation policies. As I said in my earlier post on this topic, if a unit draws up its own policy for Drugs and Alcohol (and any other named substance), conformance with this policy will be part of the contract between employer and employee, and any breach of this could result in disciplinary proceedings.

It may actually be more closely linked with insurance than anything else - some liability policies are invalidated in circumstances where employees are found to have been under the influcence of drugs or alcohol, even if those employeess are not involved in the incident leading the insurance claim.

Vulpes - your statement that 'most archaeological sites are construction sites in the eyes of the HSE' is incorrect. As described in other threads on this board (? Welfare), the most recent guidance from HSE in this matter is the second ACOP to the CDM Regs. where HSE identify certain defined activities that do not fall within CDM as they are deemed not to be construction. Archaeological investigations are one of these defined activities.

Mr Tom Wilson - companies do have the right to sack you if you are ineligable to work on any given project. If you employ someone to dig sites then there is no obligation to find them some office work if by their own actions they are unable to do the job that they were actually employed to do.

Gary Brun - archaeologists would not be operating the JCB themselves, although monitoring one whilst under the influence would not be recommended.


Beamo


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