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Rightyho-not sure how useful this will be but it`s a lead nonetheless;
a postgrad lady by the name of A.Brundle of the University of York recently presented a paper entitled "unimportance of Pictish Birsay-or maybe not?" during presentations of post-grad work held at the Dept of Arch Sciences (University of Bradford). The paper mentioned and illustrated two early bells-I hope this helps:face-huh:
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Thanks for that Troll I will look into it.
Here are a few reference articles we just recently added.
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/button-makers.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/thimble.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/galleyhalfpence.html
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/nuremberg-jetons.html
I have found that not many archaeologists have any knowledge on these small finds. I only got one reply on Britarch to the same question I asked here..
This is a good way for UKDFD in helping you guys and others understand them.
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Welcome sire. To be honest, most archaeologists are not finds specialists-simply specialists in providing finds with context amongst and through phases,sequences and events.Tiz the phases etc that provide narrative and the finds really corroborate our assumptions by providing sentences.I think what I am trying to say is that, I`m not surprised that many archaeologists look blank-faced at your questions! Here is yet another example of where different bodies in the same game can make important contributions to an overall objective!Have you tried....
Finds liaiason? Officers? PAS Officers? You could try targetting universities with a medieval/ecclesiastical specialism or even the Church itself? Hows about approaching universities where archaeometallurgy is on the menu? Would`nt surpise me if there wasnt a number of unpublished dissertations lounging hidden in university store-rooms that could answer your questions! Hope this helps.....
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'I have found that not many archaeologists have any knowledge on these small finds. I only got one reply on Britarch to the same question I asked here..
This is a good way for UKDFD in helping you guys and others understand them.'
You're pretty much spot on here Gary. Most archaeologists will have little detailed knowledge of specialised finds categories, and will pass them over to (one of) a very small number of specialists for comment. It may well be that the knowledge of these things is vested in only a couple of people nationally.
UKDFD may well have a great part to play in furthering the understading of these (and other find types), but remember that what you were originally interested in was the date at which these bells were introduced. Unless there are suitable documentary records that can assist on this matter, it will be the associated finds and the specific context of recovery that will be important in providing dating evidence.
By the way, I once found one of these bells in a 13th century urban site, but this won't really help you as you already knew that they were around at that time.
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Is it these sort of things your looking for?
http://www.instrumentsmedievaux.org/pages/grelot.html
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29th March 2007, 08:33 AM
Gary
Are these the same a crotals - sort of pear shaped objects made of bronze, with a ring at the top. These were found in the Dowris Hoard, County Offaly, Ireland (Englandshire) and dated to the Late Bronze Age (about 800 - 600BC for Ireland). Meant to look like a bulls testicles (never been that close - ask Rebecca Loos) and have always been presumed to have a religious function related to fertility. Magic bulls are mentioned in later sources such as the Tain Bo Cualnge âso I think this is where this connection comes from. Statues of Artemis at Ephesus also have similar appendages â origin unknown.
The bulls bollox
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Thanks to those who came back with info.
Please take a look and give me your opinions
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/crotal-bells.html I think this is a first once again for UKDFD.
We would value your comments.
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no comments??
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well heres one from me....
I like.... can you produce a pdf version as well? to download
and whats the next one..
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10th April 2007, 08:35 PM
I haven't made any pdf versions yet... were working on other coding's and stuff.
Ill send you one if you want though.. which article??
I don't know what the next one is going to be yet as we haven't discussed it.
Our senior validator Rod Blunt who writes the articles is very busy validating finds at the moment.
and Gordon and I are busy working new updates to the site and a few back logs in artifacts.
Anybody wishing to give a hand in helping ID artifacts please contact me
gary.brun@ukdfd.co.uk with your area of expertise. There is no pay as we are a voluntary scheme but we believe we are "Recording OUR heritage for future generations" If you believe in recording the heritage we look forward to hearing from you.
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