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1st February 2013, 07:39 PM
Oxbeast Wrote:No, don't post more context. More identifying details might break the AUP. Not sure it would make any difference what kind of site it was on. Pretty disturbing story though...
this is an internet forum - one merely requires two points of reference ..
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1st February 2013, 08:44 PM
I am aware of the situation thanks to the women involved and others. Even knowing... I am unable to 'do' anything ... much less "name and shame" and I thank the restraint that is being shown.
Due to the seriousness of the situation, it is best to leave it there... however...
In general.. I would like to see people to consider what they do and how it can be perceived. AND if you see it happening - NEVER EVER turn away.
THis goes for anyone you see being victimised, harassed or bullied. It starts with people not accepting it right there and then.
This is a place to highlight the issue.
If anyone else has had issues, then I am willing to act as a third party to help. But I am not trained, and can only support and advise where to go...
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2nd February 2013, 12:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 2nd February 2013, 12:31 PM by Unitof1.)
I know that this is most likely not useful but what I might like to see happen is that the developer/landowner that hired the company gets sued as well. They presumably negotiated these peoples copyrights. These people were harassed by companies employed by the developer on their land. Its the kind of justice that I would expect in America.
Could this form of logic be extended to the people who agreed the wsi?
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2nd February 2013, 12:35 PM
Taking this forward into a general discussion..
How can we ( collectively ) create a series of positive outcomes from this in general
Do we look at a short list of guidelines to avoid ( as much as possible ) these situations.
ie accommodation for staff should not be mixed.
or consideration of actions - without turning every site into a holy order.
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2nd February 2013, 12:54 PM
BAJR Wrote:Taking this forward into a general discussion..
How can we ( collectively ) create a series of positive outcomes from this in general
Do we look at a short list of guidelines to avoid ( as much as possible ) these situations.
ie accommodation for staff should not be mixed.
or consideration of actions - without turning every site into a holy order.
how about some pressure on ifa, fame, algao to require all wsi's to acknowledge/refer to the organisations policy on harrassment etc. all self respecting organisations should have systems in place to deal with such matters just as they do for equality and diversity/complaints etc. it could be compulsory in a procedures manual and it should be available to all staff/trainees/volunteers etc
who in this industry would mind if it meant a proper system of redress?
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2nd February 2013, 01:15 PM
although it would be good to get some general goodouts comes for our little indusrtry it would be even better if examples in law were established of just who are liable. Kiwi12 mensioned some engineering project. I think that it would be pertinant that the landowners and developers and the people involved in the wsi were part of any reporting of the matter to the police. I think that they should see a lawer -presumably through the CAB. In my view these people employed companies who came onto their land to create copyrights from the workers and basicaly allowed them to be abused or at the least did nothing to ensure that it did not happen. I bet they would be all liable if the workers had not been wearing a hard hat.
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2nd February 2013, 01:15 PM
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P Prentice Wrote:....policy on harrassment etc. all self respecting organisations should have systems in place to deal with such matters just as they do for equality and diversity/complaints etc. it could be compulsory in a procedures manual and it should be available to all staff/trainees/volunteers etc
who in this industry would mind if it meant a proper system of redress?
Just to chuck in an example, all our site first aid kits etc come in a larger box which include, amongst a selection of handy manuals on Weils desease etc, safe use of equipment, heavy lifting etc etc, a full set of all the company policies, including on sexual harassment. All employees are informed/shown where to find them and are free to do so at any time.
Costs nothing and everyone knows where they stand and exactly what to do about it/who to complain to (with alternatives if not happy with the first response) :face-thinks:
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2nd February 2013, 01:36 PM
Unitof1 Wrote:I think that it would be pertinant that the landowners and developers and the people involved in the wsi were part of any reporting of the matter to the police. ...............and basicaly allowed them to be abused or at the least did nothing to ensure that it did not happen. I bet they would be all liable if the workers had not been wearing a hard hat.
ukipof1 may have a point here. the onus must transfer to employer, commissioning and approving agents just like in health and safety law
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2nd February 2013, 02:08 PM
Quote:how about some pressure on ifa, fame, algao to require all wsi's to acknowledge/refer to the organisations policy on harrassment etc.
Good idea.. though organisations should have all these in place, it may be good to enable them and provide guidance to have the appropriate ones are in place.
THe same should be for staff. What is and is not appropriate behaviour. once again - the workforce can't devolve responsibility onto a company... " oh... if only they had told me not to make remarks.."
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2nd February 2013, 02:08 PM
Quote:Just to chuck in an example, all our site first aid kits etc come in a larger box which include, amongst a selection of handy manuals on Weils desease etc, safe use of equipment, heavy lifting etc etc, a full set of all the company policies, including on sexual harassment. All employees are informed/shown where to find them and are free to do so at any time.
That is the thing..
