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RedEarth Wrote:I'm not sure legalisation is the problem, or that improving it is the answer (although it might help).
In Norway they have had a Cultural Heritage law since 1905 that broadly states anything in the ground earlier than 1538 (the date of the Reformation in Norway) is protected. Allied with protection for maritime heritage predating 1912 and similarly for Same cultural heritage in the north of the country. Very simple law that requires everyone who wishes to disturb a site of of unknown archaeological potential to obtain an evaluation and dispensation before their project can proceed. Fines for failing to follow the law have exceeded 1,000,000 krone (?110,000) and have required the removal of the illegal development.
How does this benefit archaeologists? There are archaeological evaluators (normally the county councils) who have to employ archaeologists to carry out field work, administer the system, prepare reports. There are the national and regional bureaucracies responsible for receiving the reports and making decisions on whether dispensations are to be granted, again all of whom have to employ archaeologists. And then finally are the 5 archaeological museums, 3 maritime museums and 2 national bodies responsible for archaeological fieldwork all of whom employ archaeologists on a variety of contracts and for varying periods of time. Most of these persons are on the 'national' pay scales so all positions and archaeological hierarchies throughout the nation can be instantly compared i.e archaeologists in Bergen on paypoint 44 know that archaeologists in Oslo on paypoint 44 are getting the same salary. All expenses are set on a national rate commensorate to the number of hours you are out of the office and the standard of accommodation you are staying in. Day rate expenses average about ?100 per day for each day you are away from the office including weekends. Nearly all projects use hire cars so the only question of recompense is getting money back for fuel.
There are of course some drawbacks and recent attention has been on the lack of protection to the built heritage (few buildings dated to before 1538 survive in Norway) and the archaeology of the Post-reformation period. But the legislation that is there, does in general seem to benefit heritage and archaeological employment.
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kevin wooldridge Wrote:. Fines for failing to follow the law have exceeded 1,000,000 krone (?110,000) and have required the removal of the illegal development.
I'd suggest that an increase in the maximum fine for not dealing with archaeology would do a lot to make developers take it a bit more seriously. If the cost of dealing with archaeology on your development is ?20,000, and the maximum fine for not complying with the planning condition that requires you to deal with archaeology is ?1,000, there will be a lot of developers who'd happily take the fine and save the money (and that's on the basis that they're actually caught in the first place).
You know Marcus. He once got lost in his own museum
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kevin wooldridge Wrote:In Norway they have had a Cultural Heritage law since 1905 that broadly states anything in the ground earlier than 1538 (the date of the Reformation in Norway) is protected. Allied with protection for maritime heritage predating 1912 and similarly for Same cultural heritage in the north of the country. Very simple law that requires everyone who wishes to disturb a site of of unknown archaeological potential to obtain an evaluation and dispensation before their project can proceed. Fines for failing to follow the law have exceeded 1,000,000 krone (?110,000) and have required the removal of the illegal development.
Can I move to Norway?
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Anyone legally resident in the UK can move to Norway....
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Can we stay at your place? I suspect there might be quite a few . . .
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The Norwegian 'hiring' round normally starts around February and projects begin after Easter. Anyone can apply, but there is of course very high demand for a relatively limited number of jobs. Normally it would be expected that you possess a Masters and an undergraduate degree in archaeology (subject hopping isn't really the norm in Scandinavia) and of course experience. The hiring is regionally based and there is obviously a preference for applicants who live in the area of operation. There are a lot of non-Norwegian archaeologists working at the moment in Norway. Mainly Brits, Danes, Swedes but also a smattering of Poles, Germans, Canucks and Americans, a few Irish, a few Icelanders etc etc. Archaeology is everywhere, beer is expensive, spirits even more so, food can be exotic, but essentially is boring. Norwegians are friendly and there are enough very beautiful people (boys and girls) to keep the eye amused and the heart racing...
.....and of course you can all stay at my place. Why not!!
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12th September 2012, 07:28 PM
BAJR Wrote:No time for this....
Simple... Red Earth should have considered the comment "Here's a mad idea, try moving closer to work?" and seen it as it might be heard.
JSA ... You may have felt justified in the rant, but it was too personal and argumentative
As was the reply.
Dino replied with a quip... and the original statement was directed at him. Remember that.
Fair comment. This is the first time since that I've been on the forum so I never saw the reply.
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12th September 2012, 08:28 PM
Gosh! That's ancient history! Welcome back :face-approve:
and good thread to resurrect :face-approve::face-topic:
