Double Standards

[FedUp]

play nice kids!
Even idiots are allowed an opinion :face-approve:

[BAJR]

And lets all play nice... the references are there...

Personally, this is not in my radar, as its a bit French ..

[Jack]

play nice kids!
Even idiots are allowed an opinion :face-approve:

'I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it'
-Voltaire

[mpoole]

A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing and missionaries.
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-Will Rogers

[trainedchimp]

Fundamentally, I don't really care whether a grown adult submits himself to the tender mercies of the French justice system, and my french is rather flaky, but I fail to see how a french magistrate is going to show the same leniency over a technical offence to an English treasure hunter as to a French (quasi) governmental organisation that overlooked the need to obtain permission from a different (quasi) governmental body that also overlooked its need to approve those works, and on balance, later decided against following up.

I think that you'd need to talk to the lawyers involved to get a definite idea, and being lawyers, you're unlikely to get a better answer than that you'd be committing an offence that would be punishable, but that others, in different circumstances have got away with it. Your call, now please stop with the abuse and make your mind up.

as for Jack quoting Voltaire, I'm afraid that is just arrant rubbish. There's a good reason why there are laws against perjury, slander and incitement, even if the application of those laws is a bit, well, rubbish.

[vulpes]

'I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it'
-Voltaire

There's no evidence that Voltaire ever said or wrote this anyway. He did write this though:

Un bon mot ne prouve rien.

trans - A witty saying proves nothing.

See? I can use Wikiquote too! :p

Besides Mr Arouet was of more renown for his ability to flee and hide than stand and fight. Not that I blame him, but 83 is a pretty good innings for someone born in the C17th.

[Madweasels]

Sorry Jack. As Vulpes says, those were not Voltaire's words. They were made up by Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906 who used this phrase to sum up Voltaire's opinion in her biography of him. He did say, though, Certainement qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste, which, together with its context, is condensed in the translation that "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities". He would have cautioned against too much free speech!

[Bier Keller]

. Your call, now please stop with the abuse

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Hear hear. Reading your remarks makes me want to grab Big Enoch, so please wind your neck in. In your opinion it seems that those in the industry/sector are complete dunces when it comes to dealing with the stuff that we do on a daily basis. This aint some hobby, this is our bread and butter so please pipe down a little. You would perhaps be better off on a French language forum - they would presumably be more in the know about French legislation and whether or not it was legal to rape and loot a site in France. Just a thought

[Stephen Jack]

Fundamentally, I don't really care whether a grown adult submits himself to the tender mercies of the French justice system, and my french is rather flaky, but I fail to see how a french magistrate is going to show the same leniency over a technical offence to an English treasure hunter as to a French (quasi) governmental organisation that overlooked the need to obtain permission from a different (quasi) governmental body that also overlooked its need to approve those works, and on balance, later decided against following up.

I think that you'd need to talk to the lawyers involved to get a definite idea, and being lawyers, you're unlikely to get a better answer than that you'd be committing an offence that would be punishable, but that others, in different circumstances have got away with it. Your call, now please stop with the abuse and make your mind up.

The piece from the University of Nantes illustrates part of the problems with the DRASM having responsibility for Archaeolgy from the high water mark out to the limit of French territorial waters. They are too small to carry out their obligations, and are geographically lopsided. In reality they can hardly manage with areas permanently covered by water even with the aid of the DRAC. Two other government bodies are also involved, the Sous Prefecture which is a conduit to the DRAC, and the local communes, the Maires. Between high and low tides the Maires decide whether a person can detect on a beach, not necessarily the DRAC. The "Parisian beaches" of Northern France have restrictions which can prohibit detecting completely or restrict it to months outside the tourist season. Beaches which were used in the DD landing prohibit detecting for safety reasons.

One of the few definitive parts of the loi is, objects from antiquity must be reported within 48 hours of discovery to the Maire, and only moved if they are in danger from the sea.

So my original statement was

"My intention if I find it is to call in the press and show it in situ the reason, to highlight the fragmented and ill functioning Archaeological system in France. I doubt it very much if anyone on this forum would know what the legal situation would be with such a find. It would be very difficult to find some one in France that knows the law either. The DRAC are supposed to enforce the law what ever it is? but it is not their jurisdiction, confused?"

Bier Keller, a reply ...........key strokes.

[BAJR]

I do think this does have relevance to us in the UK... after all, many are working in France as well.. and we are in Europe... understadning the legal positions.. which are confused, helps us as a whole.

Personally I would be careful... we know the French are not that leinient with English !