IfA Salary minima 2012

[BAJR]

I have a full list of every advert, if you need further data.

[angi]

Cheers, I'll go through my file of various paperwork and let you know if I need any more examples. :face-approve:

[kevin wooldridge]

I also have a copy of every IfA job info service mail for the past 4 years if you need any additional data....

[BAJR]

So I now raise my question again...

should BAJR put forward a rise that will match the IfA OR have another 2-3% rise (which is pretty crap anyway when you consider the rising cost of living)

Thoughts

[Bodger51]

We can push down the wages but this leads towards a non-delivery and replaceable facilitator industry, especially on the grounds of a wage driven competion character to the industry.

So if your interested solely in wages then David has the best level of wage, whilst if we are talking about a responsible and considered delivery within the sector then we have to focus.

This focus could be in the form of targets, but then were talking about keeping the public interest and diversifying the nature of that interest.

Which depend on the public sector character of the industry.

If people are pointing out that this is not going particularly well then I would suggest competition to consider a self-reflexive determination agenda to the nature of a facilitator driven sector.

At the moment this would be mainly extending as an avenue of education sector participation rather than solely being education sector driven.

But still this requires a parity between the isolated fields.

At an organisation level this drives up the upper echelons and experience end of the wage considerations, but then this is down to leveraging up the entire industry with a resultant downward pressure being targetted by both industry standards and organisational leadership.

Either way this points out a bubble, much akin to a starting wage of ?20,000.

These issues are going to continue, but the manner of how and what we can deliver is the only way we can get out of a negative standards of living focus.

RPI and CPI are important for now, but the products that we deliver formulate the integrity of any given industry exposure.

Growing engagement and partisipation will only deal with a certain degree of problems, but in the long term we still need to think about what it is we are actually producing and in what direction we are moving.

We know how to respond to the economic conditions, but we need that level of clarity and consideration to be the basis from which we can start to evolve outside of previous limitations that were established by our predecessors.

[Dinosaur]

Did anyone bother to follow all that? If so could they translate it into plain English please? :o)

[Wax]

Come on Bodger rise to the challange and put what you are trying to say into language my tired old brain can understand. I got well and truely stuck on self-reflexive dertermination agenda. I think I get what you are saying but you are using the wrong words in the wrong context. Might look good in an undergraduate essay but what the hell does it actually mean?

[Noddy]

So I now raise my question again...

should BAJR put forward a rise that will match the IfA OR have another 2-3% rise (which is pretty crap anyway when you consider the rising cost of living)

Thoughts

Sorry for not responding sooner.

As long as you don't think it will impact on the number of ads I certainly think you should go for at least a 2% rise which will bring the PIfA/BAJR G2 level to over 16k for the first time.

Depending on what the IfA do in the next few years maybe you should look to stay 2-4% ahead of them and that way they may continue to raise the their levels 'if most companies are already paying more'. The most important thing in this is that we completely detach the industry pay levels from the local government levels.

[angi]

Well, despite not being "allowed" to discuss money, individuals or industry comparisons, we won! The panel got a very detailed breakdown of what we do (they won't be asking daft questions of us again), our job description was reassessed and we got put back to the grade we were on before this started a year and a quarter ago!

April may be fun with the IfA raise, but that's for another day! :face-approve:

Cheers all!

[chiz]

Congratulations Angi! Its surprising what non-archaeologists think we are worth when we explain what we actually do.

Reminds me of an occasion at a previous employer where they got some external Jobs Evaluation people to interview a few archaeologists and propose a realistic wage for what we did. I can't remember the exact figures but it was quite a bit more than we were on, especially for supervisors. We never got the rise.

Best of luck with getting an increase to meet the IfA raise by April