19th February 2010, 01:20 PM
I thank you for that reply... however it still does not deal with the fundamental question of
a) not taking responsibility for adverts that are not paid for
b) not taking responsibility for non-RO adverts.
This surely undermines the principal that ROs could indeed find adverts on the JIS that are below their requirements (as ROs) simply because they are collected from various sources. such as jobs.ac.uk and the guardian.jobs ( remembering that reselling information from some sources requires permission from the advertisers)
For example ...
if this group were an RO would they be allowed...
The Gordon Highlanders Museum, Aberdeen: Education & Outreach Officer (? not specified, p/t, 30 hpw with a view to extending to f/t).
was this checked first to ensure the pay was acceptable?
Visitor Reception Assistant National Trust (weekends) CO Heelis (?13,297-?14,470 p/r, p/t,
Is that a job that IfA accredited professionals want? I suppose it is up to them would be the answer.?
or this advert (which did not appear in BAJR)
Essex CC, Braintree: Temporary ?As & When? Project Assistants (Band 2-3, according to an advisor at the council this equates to ?14,587-?16,278/?16,663-?21,306, Ref. WE-EC03488)
as you say... there can be grey area... and so I (like you ) always call up and ensure all is well - these adverts often get the words BAJR approved, to show that I have checked this advert... something that JIS could consider - as it promotes good practice and shows commitment.
I could go on with hundreds of jobs over the years. etc
The trouble comes when just gathering from various sources... you end up with no responsibility or control of content... other than ones that you receive directly and are paid for. (Correct me if I am wrong - perhaps you do call up and check whether non paying adverts are acceptable)
I long ago removed Guardain Ads and Jobs.ac.uk ads from BAJR (brought in via their rss feeds and linking directly to their websites as required) as I had no control over content, so jobs could appear on BAJR that would not meet my criteria.
I realise that the IfA are a non profit making group - however you can't get away from the fact that you are charging for adverts and also selling the JIS to non IfA both commercial and revenue building activities.
We should not get away from the core of the DF argument
They say that the IfA - if it is to promote pay and conditions - must ensure that all its activities promote this ideal, and understand that you can't promote with one hand... but allow lesser conditions with the other.
a) not taking responsibility for adverts that are not paid for
b) not taking responsibility for non-RO adverts.
This surely undermines the principal that ROs could indeed find adverts on the JIS that are below their requirements (as ROs) simply because they are collected from various sources. such as jobs.ac.uk and the guardian.jobs ( remembering that reselling information from some sources requires permission from the advertisers)
For example ...
if this group were an RO would they be allowed...
The Gordon Highlanders Museum, Aberdeen: Education & Outreach Officer (? not specified, p/t, 30 hpw with a view to extending to f/t).
was this checked first to ensure the pay was acceptable?
Visitor Reception Assistant National Trust (weekends) CO Heelis (?13,297-?14,470 p/r, p/t,
Is that a job that IfA accredited professionals want? I suppose it is up to them would be the answer.?
or this advert (which did not appear in BAJR)
Essex CC, Braintree: Temporary ?As & When? Project Assistants (Band 2-3, according to an advisor at the council this equates to ?14,587-?16,278/?16,663-?21,306, Ref. WE-EC03488)
as you say... there can be grey area... and so I (like you ) always call up and ensure all is well - these adverts often get the words BAJR approved, to show that I have checked this advert... something that JIS could consider - as it promotes good practice and shows commitment.
I could go on with hundreds of jobs over the years. etc
The trouble comes when just gathering from various sources... you end up with no responsibility or control of content... other than ones that you receive directly and are paid for. (Correct me if I am wrong - perhaps you do call up and check whether non paying adverts are acceptable)
I long ago removed Guardain Ads and Jobs.ac.uk ads from BAJR (brought in via their rss feeds and linking directly to their websites as required) as I had no control over content, so jobs could appear on BAJR that would not meet my criteria.
I realise that the IfA are a non profit making group - however you can't get away from the fact that you are charging for adverts and also selling the JIS to non IfA both commercial and revenue building activities.
We should not get away from the core of the DF argument
They say that the IfA - if it is to promote pay and conditions - must ensure that all its activities promote this ideal, and understand that you can't promote with one hand... but allow lesser conditions with the other.