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20th January 2011, 09:11 PM
I was once billeted in the home of a rampant alcoholic. The fridge was dripping in blood and occupied by all manner of mammal parts. The dinners involved embedded insects and the landlady had a nasty but strangely comforting habit of exposing her breasts at me during breakfast. All very well you may say but they virtually reached the kitchen floor.
Hey Troll I remember that fine accommodation too I refused all food and left after three nights before I was seriously ill ..................................xx(
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21st January 2011, 01:51 PM
Dinosaur Wrote:- although I'm not clear how they could actually enforce decent welfare, not really part of the average curator's remit..... :face-thinks:
Welfare facilities should be included in health and safety audits and risk assessments. Both the archaeological employer and the clients. If it is not something is going seriously wrong and someone isn't doing their job right. Potentially, someone is flaunting the CDM regulations and opening themselves up for a whole host of legal problems.
Never heard it being part of a county audit before though!
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21st January 2011, 02:02 PM
The provision of adequate welfare facilities is not just a CDM issue - it applies to all places of work covered by the H&SW Act including temporary workplaces. Many of the briefs that I see from the county mounties say that the programme of archaeological work should be carried out in line with current H&S legislation and guidelines, therefore it is possible for this aspect to be covered by the monitoring regime.
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22nd January 2011, 03:41 PM
Bet it isn't/won't be though! Increasingly rare and overworked curators are unlikely to voluntarily add to their workload, and rocking the boat too often (and I'd imagine expensively, if litigation was involved) isn't going to increase their job security in councils looking to cut costs :face-stir:
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26th January 2011, 06:46 PM
Dinosaur Wrote:Following on from a conversation on site today .... varying standards/remuneration for accommodation is another massive variable between units which could be worth some research, some provide it, some don't, some charge for it, some pay an allowance, where it's provided it varies from the local council's caravan park social reject dumping ground .....up to 5* luxury holiday cottages ..... - it's usually not at all obvious what's being provided from job adverts or until you actually turn up, and less experienced diggers generally have no warning that they're about to get shafted
Given that this thread has gone way beyond being dragged back on topic....!
The Diggers' Forum has just launched an online survey into exactly this area. Its taken a while to get it together, but hopefully the survey will give us a real idea of what staff are expected to do in addition to their flat 8 hours. Once we have some valid figures on the amount of driving, the costs, the variable types of accommodation and subs etc etc we can work out where to go from there.
See:
http://www.bajrfed.co.uk/showthread.php?...ay-working
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For the view from the ground
http://www.archdiggers.co.uk/diggers/frameset.html
i think a lot of the photos go a long way to saying how it was
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beamo Wrote:Many of the briefs that I see from the county mounties say that the programme of archaeological work should be carried out in line with current H&S legislation and guidelines, .
Beamo
Generally you shouldn't put a proposal, method statement or brief together that states that you'll do it according to the relevant legislation. It's taken for granted that you'll undertake the work in a legal manner.
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beamo Wrote:Many of the briefs that I see from the county mounties say that the programme of archaeological work should be carried out in line with current H&S legislation and guidelines...
Beamo
They do? - different part of the country...
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I can understand the reluctance of a curator to state the obvious i.e the work will be carried out legally, but I would have thought that in lots of circumstances, measures to effect a safe working site and/or remediation of H&S issues would impact upon the archaeology....in which case surely the curator needs to ensure that procedures to ensure recording standards, (if any standard at all) are followed. This has to be somewhere in the curators method statement/WSI cos there isn't anywhere else for it to go!!
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Once again we come back to Curators policing everything... surely IfA RAOs could take some responsibility? or the IfA itself could ensure this? etc... teh hard pressed curator seems now to have to check legal requirements... :face-huh:
How far should they go... should they check to see people are wearing pants? or perhaps that they brushed their teeth in the morning? No we all have to take responsibility, and there must also be a way of reporting it.
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