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7th October 2011, 11:19 AM
all my OxCal dates are BC or AD because OxCal is a calibration programme
@ Jack - A radiocarbon date of 100BC-AD100 (SUERC) at a probability of 95% measured from a bone from a pit from Durham is the same as a radiocarbon date of 100BC-AD100 (SUERC) at a probability of 95% measured from a bone from a pit from New South Wales in Australia.
no no no it aint
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7th October 2011, 01:16 PM
P Prentice Wrote:Jack - A radiocarbon date of 100BC-AD100 (SUERC) at a probability of 95% measured from a bone from a pit from Durham is the same as a radiocarbon date of 100BC-AD100 (SUERC) at a probability of 95% measured from a bone from a pit from New South Wales in Australia.
no no no it aint
Yes it is.
Same technique, same result, same lab, same consistent set of measurement.
Same.
Note I am not talking about the interpretation of the date.......just the measurement of an age.
As to the Celtic issue...........
There were no Celts.
But there was the Keltoi (somewhere near Greece I think), Celtic-speaking peoples, Celtic artwork etc.
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7th October 2011, 03:54 PM
Back to the original, opening statement I'd say Romans and then everything else is Barbarian (and I don't mean the rugby team before I get any wise crack replies!)
That's what the Romans say in their letters home, anyway...:face-approve:
So, Roman Britian, yes, Romano-British, nope!:face-stir:
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7th October 2011, 03:56 PM
Back to the original, opening statement I'd say Romans and then everything else is Barbarian (and I don't mean the rugby team before I get any wise crack replies!)
Roman Britain yes:face-approve:, Romano-British - nope.:face-stir:
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7th October 2011, 04:37 PM
Jack Wrote:Yes it is.
Same technique, same result, same lab, same consistent set of measurement.
Same.
except that you have to take into consideration the sigmaC13 relative to VPDB and the fact that you might not be within the same 95% - given there is another 5% not reflected in the range
and back to the mars bar - Britain didnt become Roman in 43AD or at any other time
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7th October 2011, 05:25 PM
Apologies for double post.:I Got an Internal Server message and thought it had been eaten...
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7th October 2011, 05:36 PM
P Prentice Wrote:and back to the mars bar - Britain didnt become Roman in 43AD or at any other time
"Discuss" is just begging to be added to that...
Parts of Britannia were Roman pretty darn quickly after 43AD...then it spread a bit until all the hoo har about how much wasn't conquered with the Stanegate, Hadrian's, Antoninus' or the whatever it's called degree line (mind gone blank...sorry. Old age).
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7th October 2011, 05:46 PM
deadlylampshade Wrote:"Discuss" is just begging to be added to that...
Parts of Britannia were Roman pretty darn quickly after 43AD...then it spread a bit until all the hoo har about how much wasn't conquered with the Stanegate, Hadrian's, Antoninus' or the whatever it's called degree line (mind gone blank...sorry. Old age).
arh classics trained minds (imperialistars)
two points
just cus the romans thought they had conquered Britannia in whatever AD, did the Britons think they were suddenly Roman - i suspect not so how was it then roman
and Britain is surely all the islands of th UK and some could never be claimed as conquered
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7th October 2011, 06:19 PM
Imperialistas? I like!:face-approve:
But did the Romans even bother to ask the Britons if they thought themselves Roman? I think not...
Did the Britons even know they were Britons??
All the islands of Britannia probably didn't give a toss about what was happening on the mainland except if it interefered with their trade...and speaking of which Roman Gaul was trading with south eastern Britannia WAAAAAY before 55BC never mind 43AD...
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7th October 2011, 07:53 PM
Quote:But did the Romans even bother to ask the Britons if they thought themselves Roman?
I doubt the thought would have occurred to them. Romans were citizens of Rome. Everyone else was most definitely not Roman. Chugging olive oil and garum out of Samian and giving your sprog a Latin name, didn't make you Roman.
The Romans would have wet themselves laughing at the notion that any filthy barbarian from a conquered area might consider themselves "Roman". In fact, I believe Tacitus actually may have. The sarky b'stard.
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