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Dinosaur Wrote:err, think you've missed the point, IFAs move towards Chartership has always appeared largely intended as part of its long-term strategy to wipe out all non-member organisations,
In summary, IFA offers nothing useful to most of its members
given that the sun self evidently is emitted from your bottom we can excuse the contradiction and perhaps see why you work where you do
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Jack Wrote:I agree.
i dont. chartered status will benefit all those interested in a career rather than a poorly paid pastime. if you want nothing more than to dig at the lowest level it will not make any difference but for the rest of us ...........
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P Prentice Wrote:i dont. chartered status will benefit all those interested in a career rather than a poorly paid pastime. if you want nothing more than to dig at the lowest level it will not make any difference but for the rest of us ...........
So only those at the highest level will be admitted? Blue moons are getting more common... :face-stir:
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25th June 2013, 05:50 PM
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Jack Wrote:The only ways of stopping this is illegal price fixing
This is going to add almost nothing to the conversation BUT if bankers can do it and avoid jail time....... why can't we?
I know, I know were not bankers and they would probably reinstate the stocks and hanging just for archaeologists BUT for a couple of years we could enjoy the ride
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Carry on with the serious conversation and ignore my cheekyness .
Cheers
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Jack Wrote:I agree.
In the grander scheme of things, we don't dictate the price that the 'clients' pay us.....The client controls this with the threat of going to someone cheaper....
...The only ways of stopping this is illegal price fixing or stronger legislation, quality control including hefty fines for destroying archaeology (including not excavating/recording and publishing it properly) and accreditation of companies.
Actually there is another way. In Norway we don't have competitive tendering, but archaeological 'sponsors' can appeal to the National Antiquities Board if they think they are being overcharged and/or charged for something for which they are not liable. Appropriate charges are based on type of site and to a certain extent archaeological complexity. There are some costs which the archaeological museums are expected to pick up theirself which can't be charged to the developer....Such a system in the UK would eliminate undercutting at a stroke and if the charges were based around the level of a dignity wage could be the answer to the difficulties UK archaeology has with low pay...
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Dinosaur Wrote:So only those at the highest level will be admitted? Blue moons are getting more common... :face-stir:
no, only those with the requisite skills and experience
....and the poll suggests that most on here agree
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And yet significantly short of the required 75%
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Dinosaur Wrote:And yet significantly short of the required 75%
there was no box to tick for ifa membership so your statement is nonsense - but then they always are on this subject
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Dinosaur Wrote:I'd be thinking around 9am Monday morning when they drop back into the 'job' and need to spend 8hrs 'working' ....
Interesting how the voting pattern in the poll's been changing since then }
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I go back to my previous position:
The IFA should PRIMARILY be involved with assesing the quailty of archaeological REPORTS, governmental lobbying, and REGULAR INSPECTIONS> leave all employment issues to other bodies, and probably all the skills training also...just forget the royal charter(at least for now)
A commercail company would have to up its game, 're-organise' its staff, or possibly collapse if its excavtions & reports were critiscised or marked as substandard.
Good work over time brings a 'seal of approval in a natural way.
Fundementally:
If an excellent excavtion and report can be achieved on a shoe-string budget, using staff without any formal training, THEN SO BE IT!
